using dxo lens correction with lightroom
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mathjak107
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i am still waiting to hear back from dxo as far as the lens profiles built ito the lenses being applied 2x …i hope they give an answer as detailed as the above
mathjak107
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after going back and forth with dxo on this i finally have a work flow down .
so , i import the files in to lightroom from the card .
if the lightroom lens correction box is active and shows your lens and auto correction in the box , turn it off and then export to dxo . you may not have to ev n turn it off since dxo doesn’t see most effects applied in lightroom but i haven’t confirmed that myself yet as far as lens correction goes.
if it’s one of the nikon lenses with mandatory lens correction built in then your lens correction box isn’t active in lightroom and you cannot turn it off .
same is true when exporting to dxo . the lens is controlling the correction and it is what it is . however dxo will attempt to fine tune those settings if their testing shows a better job can be done
so , i import the files in to lightroom from the card .
if the lightroom lens correction box is active and shows your lens and auto correction in the box , turn it off and then export to dxo . you may not have to ev n turn it off since dxo doesn’t see most effects applied in lightroom but i haven’t confirmed that myself yet as far as lens correction goes.
if it’s one of the nikon lenses with mandatory lens correction built in then your lens correction box isn’t active in lightroom and you cannot turn it off .
same is true when exporting to dxo . the lens is controlling the correction and it is what it is . however dxo will attempt to fine tune those settings if their testing shows a better job can be done
For portraits, When using DxO lens softening correction set to Soft, is still rendering the eye lashes too sharp in a unnatural way. I will do more testing though.
It also sometimes renders the entire image brighter than Adobe.
Basically, so far I use it for NR because it’s faster from Adobe’s NR.
It also sometimes renders the entire image brighter than Adobe.
Basically, so far I use it for NR because it’s faster from Adobe’s NR.
Ad Astra
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I much prefer DxO's lens correction and denoise. I used to stay away from DxO's Photolab as it only used to have an Adobe RGB internal color space. A couple of years ago now DxO introduced their own version of ProPhoto color space so since then I have been tempted to start using DxO Photolab with Lightroom. Lightroom does not export raw files to external editors only a preprocessed file e.g. Tiff, so the key to using DxO Photolab and Lightroom is to use the Lightroom plugin that DxO provide to send the raw file to Photolab then none of the Adobe adjustments are applied and DxO can work its magic.
Full details can be found on the DxO website at:
https://userguides.dxo.com/photolab/en/exporting-images/#workflow_with_adobe_lightroom_classic
Full details can be found on the DxO website at:
https://userguides.dxo.com/photolab/en/exporting-images/#workflow_with_adobe_lightroom_classic
Ad Astra
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When using the soft option DxO is correcting the lens edge softening only so nothing is applied in the centre and the closer to the edges the more it is applied. DxO's alogrithms are based on the actual lens so the edge to edge sharpening is specific to the lens.
mathjak107
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interesting
When attempting to sharpen a PureRaw DNG in ACR, The image looks horrible. No idea why.
If one holds alt while clicking the radius slider in acr or lightroom, you see the edge sharpening dxo has already applied, when it looks garish I think this is mostly due to too strong of lens correction setting. In photolab the amount is on a slider, it sounds like pureraw is not.
We are discussing two separate things here.
1) Overal lens softness correction, fixing the optical flaws, and sharpening up the corners to match the center.
2) Adding enhanced sharpening to the overall image.
If we leave the slider at 0, is it doing 1 and NOT 2, while 1-3 will do 1 AND 2?
From DxO user guide:
- Lens softness*: Defaults to Standard (which is equivalent to the DxO PhotoLab Lens Sharpness setting, with the Global slider set at +1), you can also opt for Soft, Strong or Hard intensity (respectively 0, +2 and +3 in DxO PhotoLab). Optical sharpness improves image detail and overall image sharpness from the center to the edge of the frame.
*From version 4 (March 2024), DxO PureRAW uses refined, improved lens softness algorithms.
DxO released an update
DxO PureRAW Version 4.7
support for the Z6-3
DxO PureRAW Version 4.7
support for the Z6-3
I'm just saying dxo is also sharpening when the lens correction is applied and you can visualize how much by holding alt on the radius slider. Dxo instructions say don't apply unsharp mask if lens softness correction is used. Acr sharpening is unsharp mask.
Where can I find DxO instructions that say not to apply an unsharp mask if lens softness correction is used?
What If I want lens correction WITHOUT DxO sharpening but want some extra clarity in the photo? Why shouldn't I be able to add an unsharp mask in post?
See the image below. Same image.
1) NEF Processed in Adobe Camera Raw only
2) NEF Processed using PureRaw Soft lens correction
3) NEF Processed using PureRaw Standard lens correction
All images are opened in Adobe Camera Raw. They are assigned the Camera Standard profile and have no other processing other than the added 40 sharpening.
See the Artifacts on the added unsharp mask.
1) NEF Processed in Adobe Camera Raw only
2) NEF Processed using PureRaw Soft lens correction
3) NEF Processed using PureRaw Standard lens correction
1) NEF Processed in Adobe Camera Raw only
2) NEF Processed using PureRaw Soft lens correction
3) NEF Processed using PureRaw Standard lens correction
All images are opened in Adobe Camera Raw. They are assigned the Camera Standard profile and have no other processing other than the added 40 sharpening.
See the Artifacts on the added unsharp mask.
1) NEF Processed in Adobe Camera Raw only
2) NEF Processed using PureRaw Soft lens correction
3) NEF Processed using PureRaw Standard lens correction
mathjak107
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i like the pure raw standard
This cut and paste is from the DXO Photolab 8 user guide. Pure Raw would have to be the same since it is the same software engine running both. I'm thinking the same concept applies to lightroom sharpening since it uses the unsharp mask algorithm, where is photoshop there are other sharpening choices that don't use unnsharp mask, such as some of the smart sharpen choices.
Lens Sharpness and Unsharp Mask
We recommend that you perform as much of your sharpening as possible using the DxO Lens Softness Compensation tool before using the Unsharp Mask. Of course, for images where the appropriate DxO Optics Module is not installed, you will have to use the Unsharp Mask for all manual sharpening tasks.
Using the Unsharp Mask
The Unsharp Mask correction is disabled by default. It is unnecessary for JPEG files, as in-camera processing has already sharpened them, and it is usually unnecessary for RAW images for which a DxO Module is available. This means its use is really confined to unsharpened JPEG files and RAW files without a DxO Optics Module. In the latter instance, we advise fine-tuning the Unsharp Mask settings, and then creating a preset.
We recommend that you try fine-tuning the three sliders using these starting values: Intensity = 100, Radius = 0.5, and Threshold = 4. For most images, Threshold should stay within a range from 4 to 10. Radius determines how subtle the correction is: excessive values will result in halos. Finally, you can set the Intensity slider up to 200.
They admit that after their RAW treatment, any further unmasked sharpening will not play out nicely.
This is unacceptable!
Sometimes extra local sharpening is needed, and even the default sharpening should be more customizable. Forcing to sharpen before any editing are nonsense.
I think of dxo as input sharpening, Since it is done there I don't repeat it in lightroom. One can still do creative and output sharpening. Plus sharpening does not correct out of focus. Topaz says they can do that but I haven't really explored it.
I cannot use any additional output sharpening on a DxO input sharpered file. It looks horrible…
Recently I took several thousand images while traveling. Most of the images were taken in the rain and low light situations. I tried using Pure Raw for it's high ISO NR capabilities - and then proceeded to process the raw in ACR before going to PS. I found the images to be extremely sharp (while retaining a lot of fine details) and seldom required any output sharpening.
For output I'm usually in photoshop. I'll use crtl shift alt E to stamp a duplicate of all the layers then convert to smart object so the sharpening is reversible. From their either smart sharpen or Topaz, using the opacity slider to fine tune it.
DxO needs to elaborate more about this. Perhaps they don’t want to because it’s gonna hurt Sales.
Not all images need PS. I have to be able to work in Bridge ACR or lightroom.
This seems like a good article, particularly the output sharpening in the export module.
photographylife.com
Advanced Post-Processing Tips: Three-Step Sharpening
photographylife.com
With Pure Raw, there is no way to adjust sharpening, it appears to be built into the NR algorithms. So I'm learning to be very light-handed with sharpening in ACR/LR.
I must say, I have been impressed with the results in very high ISO images when using just Pure Raw and ACR/LR.