Can't decide between Z6iii and Z8

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Man. It seems like every time someone makes another point I question the decision I've made. So here's another option. What do you all think I've lost if I keep the Z7ii and replace the Z6 with the Z8? By the way, if this makes a difference I have the 180-600, 14-24/2.8 S, 24-70/2.8 S, 70-200/2.8 S, and 105/2.8 mc S.
 
@Unscript - why does the Z6iii require more cleaning of the sensor than any other Z body?
The Z8 has a sensor shield that can be set to be in place when the camera is off and you are changing lenses. I think the Z6III does not have a sensor shield.

The sensor shield on My Z8s and Z9 is very helpful in limiting what gets on the sensor. I think they are the only Nikon mirrorless bodies with a sensor shield.

Don’t think the Z6III is worse in this regard than the Z6/Z6II/Z7/Z7II.
 
The Z8 has a sensor shield that can be set to be in place when the camera is off and you are changing lenses. I think the Z6III does not have a sensor shield.

The sensor shield on My Z8s and Z9 is very helpful in limiting what gets on the sensor. I think they are the only Nikon mirrorless bodies with a sensor shield.

Don’t think the Z6III is worse in this regard than the Z6/Z6II/Z7/Z7II.
Thanks for that explanation @BillW. The sensor shield would be very handy given the environment I tend to shot in. Thanks. That’s very helpful.
 
You didn't mention budget, however, if I were you and what you said as priorites, I'd get the Z6 iii AND the Z8.

I am betting the Z6iii is also much better at higher iso than the z8, much like the R3/1 being noticeably better at high iso than the R5 ii. In fact, the R1 is massively better at high iso than the Z8/Z9 and I've seen it in my own use recently.

Also, as many mentioned, the video stuff, wow, I just read through quickly about the Z6 iii and it's like the canon top video specs. I did not see if the z6iii can do ProRes but that was one reason I wanted the Z9, for internal prores. I very much prefer full-size/"pro" bodies though so that is a big factor for me choosing the Z9 and R3 and R1.

The price point with the current $2100 on the Z6 iii is incredible in my opinion. When you mostly "fill the frame", 24Mp really is "enough". I use the 45Mp bodies so often knowing I'll be cropping to half that.

Here's a shot with the 24Mp canon R1 as iso 25,600 and a 2x tele ext on a 600mm, Handheld at 1/200s in basically light too dark to read with mid 50's eyes ;- )

I know it's the canon but it's still "only" 24Mp but in low light, low Mp wins.

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The Z8 has a sensor shield that can be set to be in place when the camera is off and you are changing lenses. I think the Z6III does not have a sensor shield.

The sensor shield on My Z8s and Z9 is very helpful in limiting what gets on the sensor. I think they are the only Nikon mirrorless bodies with a sensor shield.

Don’t think the Z6III is worse in this regard than the Z6/Z6II/Z7/Z7II.
Oh, this I did not know. Only my terribly designed Fuji gfx has no sensor shield or shutter to be closed even though it has mechanical shutter mode !
 
Man. It seems like every time someone makes another point I question the decision I've made. So here's another option. What do you all think I've lost if I keep the Z7ii and replace the Z6 with the Z8? By the way, if this makes a difference I have the 180-600, 14-24/2.8 S, 24-70/2.8 S, 70-200/2.8 S, and 105/2.8 mc S.
Your lens list, and remembering your interest in landscapes, and sunset, makes me want you to have the Z8 even more now. If you could, I'd have you put the Z8 on the wide lenses, basically any tripod moment for sure, and the Z6 iii on the 180-600 handheld. These two in a pack, you're so set. I'd even leave the 70-200 at home, put a wide on the Z8, the tele on the other, and not even waste time with swapping lenses in the field in rain, wind, pollen, sea air, etc.
 
Z8 and Z6iii are 2 very good cameras with pros and cons
Doing landscape and wildlife, especially if you plan to keep the Z7ii, I would recommend the Z6iii
Having no bright tele for wildlife the Z6, from my point of view, is perfect on 180-600 having better iso hold and slightly better Af in low light.
Otherwise you have the Z7ii which on a pure sensor quality level is even better than the Z8
 
in the UK the Z8 is now retailing at £3,299 down from £3,999 (Wex) - I wonder if that's indicative of something new??

Does the Z6iii have a sensor guard? That would make a difference to keeping dust off
 
Thanks for that explanation @BillW. The sensor shield would be very handy given the environment I tend to shot in. Thanks. That’s very helpful.
It occurs to me that I may be making too much of this difference between the Z8 and Z6III.

The Z8 has a fully electronic shutter (which is fast enough to have no rolling shutter effects my experience). Thus it needs a sensor shield.

The Z6III has a mechanical shutter and can do a slower (than the Z8) version of electronic shutter. Maybe the mechanical shutter eliminates or reduces the need for a shutter sensor? Not sure what happens if the camera is in electronic shutter mode when you change lenses.
 
Man. It seems like every time someone makes another point I question the decision I've made. So here's another option. What do you all think I've lost if I keep the Z7ii and replace the Z6 with the Z8? By the way, if this makes a difference I have the 180-600, 14-24/2.8 S, 24-70/2.8 S, 70-200/2.8 S, and 105/2.8 mc S.
Depends on how you shoot. The Z6II is still decent for landscape and travel when light is important. The Z7II is 45MP but is terrible for action. If you want action…replacing the Z7II with a Z8 is the way to go…and if on a 2 body wildlife outing put the shorter and not likely to be used for action on the Z6II. I tried to like the Z7II…v7 it’s a terrible action body.
 
@Unscript - why does the Z6iii require more cleaning of the sensor than any other Z body?
The Z6III doesn't have a sensor shield, so every time you swap lens, there's a good chance you get some dust on the sensor. The Z7 suffers from the same issue. After a while, you'll start noticing them in shots at closed apertures.

You're not supposed to clean the sensor yourself, according to Nikon, but everyone does it. As long as you don't press too hard and damage the anti-vibration system, it's fine. I had to do it a few times with swabs already, even though I've not owned it for more than a few months. It's really not easy to get rid of the dust there.

The Z8 and the Z9 have a sensor shield that protects the sensor when the camera is switched off, so there's considerably less chance to get dust on it.
 
The Z6III doesn't have a sensor shield, so every time you swap lens, there's a good chance you get some dust on the sensor. The Z7 suffers from the same issue. After a while, you'll start noticing them in shots at closed apertures.

You're not supposed to clean the sensor yourself, according to Nikon, but everyone does it. As long as you don't press too hard and damage the anti-vibration system, it's fine. I had to do it a few times with swabs already, even though I've not owned it for more than a few months. It's really not easy to get rid of the dust there.

The Z8 and the Z9 have a sensor shield that protects the sensor when the camera is switched off, so there's considerably less chance to get dust on it.
I have the Z6iii and it's not a problem. Yes - the sensor shield is a plus, but the Z sensors have a nano-coating that repels dust quite well. A simple bulb blower is all I've ever needed with over 30,000 Z6iii images. I've actually lost more shots from dust with the Z8 - a hair got caught under the sensor shield and needed to be removed without touching the sensor.
 
You didn't mention budget, however, if I were you and what you said as priorites, I'd get the Z6 iii AND the Z8.

I am betting the Z6iii is also much better at higher iso than the z8, much like the R3/1 being noticeably better at high iso than the R5 ii. In fact, the R1 is massively better at high iso than the Z8/Z9 and I've seen it in my own use recently.

Also, as many mentioned, the video stuff, wow, I just read through quickly about the Z6 iii and it's like the canon top video specs. I did not see if the z6iii can do ProRes but that was one reason I wanted the Z9, for internal prores. I very much prefer full-size/"pro" bodies though so that is a big factor for me choosing the Z9 and R3 and R1.

The price point with the current $2100 on the Z6 iii is incredible in my opinion. When you mostly "fill the frame", 24Mp really is "enough". I use the 45Mp bodies so often knowing I'll be cropping to half that.

Here's a shot with the 24Mp canon R1 as iso 25,600 and a 2x tele ext on a 600mm, Handheld at 1/200s in basically light too dark to read with mid 50's eyes ;- )

I know it's the canon but it's still "only" 24Mp but in low light, low Mp wins.

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The many advantages of a higher MP camera (the Z8) make it the obvious choice. And any claims of a noise advantages of lower MP cameras can be largely mitigated by down-sampling the large resolution camera to the same number of MP as the lower resolution camera.

Here's one quote from article:
  • Down-sampling – as I have previously explained in my article on the benefits of high resolution sensors, the higher the resolution, the better the options for resizing or “down-sampling” images. As I will explain further down below, modern high resolution cameras have similar performance as their lower resolution counterparts, but their main advantages are the ability to down-sample to lower resolution to decrease the amount of noise and when shooting at low ISOs, the ability to yield larger prints.


So you have higher resolution and the ability to crop significantly when in good light, and similar performance in low light.
 
I have the Z6iii and it's not a problem. Yes - the sensor shield is a plus, but the Z sensors have a nano-coating that repels dust quite well. A simple bulb blower is all I've ever needed with over 30,000 Z6iii images. I've actually lost more shots from dust with the Z8 - a hair got caught under the sensor shield and needed to be removed without touching the sensor.
Well, I'm glad it's not a problem for you, but it's definitely a problem for me, and from what I read or heard from Z6/Z7 owners, it was for them, too.

I've tried a blower, but it only removed a tiny part of the dust. Only swabs will remove more of them, and even with them, I couldn't remove everything. That sensor is a dust magnet once you start swapping lenses. :D I suppose the environment has something to do with it, though it's not particularly dusty where I live.
 
I am primarily a landscape/seascape/wildlife, hobby photographer. My passion is shooting sunsets, long exposure seascapes and wildlife. I currently own the Z6 and Z7ii bodies and I’m looking to upgrade to either the Z6iii or the Z8. I’m considering upgrading the Z6 and keeping the Z7ii for the Z6iii or upgrading both to get the Z8. I’m very seldom in a situation where I need two bodies so that’s why I’m okay with upgrading both the old ones. And I figure I can always rent a second body if I need it like when I go to Africa next year. I can’t really keep the Z7ii if I go for the Z8. So what do you all recommend?
Z8 because the Z6lll has less dynamic range and issues show up in the shadows of raw photos due to that. Or keep the Z7ll. For landscape and sunrise sunset photos the Z7ll is better than the Z6lll. I just read an article about it because imm trying to decide myself. I don't do landscape much so I don't care as much about that. For 2k at b and h the Z6lll is a bargain for everything except landscape, sunrise and sunset. Due to dynamic range. The lack of dynamic range isn't as noticeable except for those types of pictures because you are pushing the limits.
 
I have the Z8 and the Z6III, but when traveling, i.e., schlepping suitcase and gear to a new lodging every few days, I take my Z6II because of the size and weight. For action the Z8 is my choice. Another thing, I find the Z6III a little bit prone to stop functioning from time to time, requiring a battery removal and replacement to get it going again.
 
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Again. Thank you all so much for your input and different perspectives. They were all very helpful and gave me a lot to think about. I ended up keeping the Z7ii and buying the Z6iii because of budget constraints and size and weight. I'm sure I'll be happy with my decision and I can upgrade the Z7ii to the Z8 or whichever version of the Z8 will be out at the time I can upgrade. Thanks again and happy shooting!!
 
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Again. Thank you all so much for your input and different perspectives. They were all very helpful and gave me a lot to think about. I ended up keeping the Z7ii and buying the Z6iii because of budget constraints and size and weight. I'm sure I'll be happy with my decision and I can upgrade the Z7ii to the Z8 or whichever version of the Z8 will be out at the time I can upgrade. Thanks again and happy shooting!!
Great cameras. Enjoy them.
 
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