Do you use Banks and if so how?

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What lenses were you using and what setting changes did they require?
I was using the Nikon 12-120 /f4, 70-200 f/2.8 and Tamron 35-150 f/2-2.8.

The main items I was changing were:
- ISO. I was shooting Manual with the 12-120 and the 70-200. So, I needed to change ISO to account for the slower/faster lens.
- ISO Auto on/off. With the Tamron I was shooting Shutter Priority, with auto ISO enabled. The other two lenses I was shooting with a set ISO.
- Shutter speed. With the 12-120 I needed to lower the shutter speed to keep the ISO from going too high. The other two lenses I was able to shoot at 1/1000.

Note, with the variable aperture of the Tamron I was in shutter priority and auto ISO so that I could take advantage of the faster aperture when I was shooting wide. If I had shot manual I would have had to shoot at f/2.8 regardless of what the lens could do. Granted the one stop in this case wasn't that big of an issue.
 
Probably hashed to death but thought I would toss this out there.

I use 3 of the 4 banks for wildlife, macro/landscape, and night. Intend to copy one of the 3 banks to A each time I start a new day. Don't follow this too well. I need to find a better method.

Thoughts, suggestions, just get more disciplined?
I don't use them. I just prepare for what I am going to shoot. Or at least I try to. Sometimes I forget and get surprises later!
 
Nope, I find the lack of a usable preset ability on my Z9 almost intolerable.
The old U1/U2 system at least worked.

I would *Love* the ability to, with one press, change a half dozen settings from, say, wildlife, to astro mode.
For example: Shutter speed: 1/2500 to 30 secs
Focus mode from AF-S 3D to MF
Screen backlight from +2 to -3
Red mode ON
Starlight focus ON
etc.

The problem with the absurd way things are implemented is twofold:
A) there are TWO different banks you have to change, Shooting Bank and Custom Setting Bank, and I suppose you must memorize the list of which settings arbitrarily go into which bank so you know when and what you have to change and
B) ANY time you change a single setting, you have overwritten your preferred setting for that mode. That's right. Want to switch from birds in flight to shoot a stationary bird at 1/350s? Well you have now PERMANENTLY changed your wildlife setting from 1/2500 to 1/350, whether you wanted to or not! That's inexcusable. Maybe if you ALWAYS shoot at the same setting that's fine, but what kind of shooter with a flagship camera does that?

Yeah I've watched all the videos. The way Nikon expects you to use these settings is laughable, and would not save me any time. Instead I put the settings I change into My Menu and print "cheat sheets" showing all the settings I should change for special modes, ie studio shooting or astro shooting. It's shocking to me that Nikon's flagship cameras don't have a usable preset mode. The Recall Shooting Function (RSF) button does work in a pinch, but only for one scenario. I would love 4 workable presets: Astro, Wildlife, Landscape, and Studio.

I've never met a Nikon shooter ever, who uses or likes these. Apparently there are some on the forums here... if I meet you in person I would force you to show me how user banks could ever save time in a real world scenario :D
 
I would *Love* the ability to, with one press, change a half dozen settings from, say, wildlife, to astro mode.
I too would like that - one bank selection that affects all settings. Banks don't do that now (why I've said they need a redesign), but it gets close now, and most common changes are a single bank switch (button + cmd dial).
For example: Shutter speed: 1/2500 to 30 secs
Focus mode from AF-S 3D to MF
Red mode ON
Starlight focus ON
^^^ These are all controlled by Shooting bank (make sure Extended Settings Recall is ON) - control via the above mentioned button + cmd dial to switch with one click.
Screen backlight from +2 to -3
^^^ This one, sadly, is not in Shooting Banks nor in Custom Settings banks. Agreed that this is very annoying when trying to do astro.
B) ANY time you change a single setting, you have overwritten your preferred setting for that mode. That's right. Want to switch from birds in flight to shoot a stationary bird at 1/350s? Well you have now PERMANENTLY changed your wildlife setting from 1/2500 to 1/350, whether you wanted to or not!
^^^ This is not "permanent." Simply use Load Banks to get your original settings back (provided you saved your banks to the card earlier). This is three clicks if you put it at the top of My Menu.
I've never met a Nikon shooter ever, who uses or likes these. Apparently there are some on the forums here... if I meet you in person I would force you to show me how user banks could ever save time in a real world scenario :D
^^^ If you go on a Brad Hill or Thom Hogan excursion, you can ask them, although we all have long lists of things that could be improved there ;) Thom's wishlist from 2021 is still valid:
https://www.zsystemuser.com/z-mount-cameras/z-camera-articles/the-z9-blog/

Cheers!
 
I've never met a Nikon shooter ever, who uses or likes these. Apparently there are some on the forums here... if I meet you in person I would force you to show me how user banks could ever save time in a real world scenario :D
There’s been a great deal of discussion on BCG Forums about Nikon’s Banks concept. While there are changes I wish Nikon would make, I’ve made the current conception work for me. For my Z8 & Z9 I have my settings saved on the cards in my cameras. When I need to ensure I’m working from my personal defaults, including banks, I load them from the card. Less than ten seconds and I’m good to go. Not ideal but it works fine.
 
Banks:
1. Landscape
2. Action
3. Wildlife (BIF can be action)
4. Astro

Settings:
Same format. #1 would be settings need for landscape, 2 for action, 3m for wildlife, 4 for Astro.

I always use the corresponding setting to that particular bank so they match. I can quick change them from “my menu”

The I-menu has different items for each corresponding bank/setting. So for example, bank 1 landscape, I don’t need an I-menu item for focus mode. But in wildlife I would…..

I keep the “original” -all the above-on a small SD card and reinstall each time I pickup the camera to shoot. Who knows what I changed on the last shooting outing. This was I always stare fresh-at the same settings I am used to.

Henry Hudson has some great videos covering this. It can get mind boggling at times. It took my wife and I hours and hours to get this the exact way we wanted-even to the point we have it on spreadsheets. We load the same settings on both z8’s for convenience.
 
Before you decide whether they are for you or not, I suggest you check the Z8 or Z9 Menu Bank setup videos on You Tube by Hudson Henry. After watching these videos you will understand this camera and the advantages of the banks more clearly. In his later modifications and updates to the banks, he actually provides a downloadable file with settings for all four banks. At that point you can customize or tweak to your personal needs. I swear by it. I now feel like I control this beast.
 
I find that the banks are most useful to set a base when you move from one genre of photography to another. Examples:
1. Landscapes/ Seascapes shooting off a tripod.
2. Fast Action (e.g. Birds in flight). Hand-held.
3. Astro / night photography shooting off tripod.
4. Macro photography.

However, in every instance these base settings are refined for the current shoot on the particular day. The trick is to reset the base settings at the end of every shoot.
 
>>> ANY time you change a single setting, you have overwritten your preferred setting for that mode. That's right. Want to switch from birds in flight to shoot a stationary bird at 1/350s? Well you have now PERMANENTLY changed your wildlife setting from 1/2500 to 1/350, whether you wanted to or not!
^^^ This is not "permanent." Simply use Load Banks to get your original settings back (provided you saved your banks to the card earlier). This is three clicks if you put it at the top of My Menu.
Well, of course you haven't permanently altered your camera. You are free to change the setting again in the future. The problem is it overwrites your preset. If you want a wildlife shutter speed of 1/2500 / sec, you better hope that's all you will shoot that day, because the moment you alter your shutter speed at all (even, let's say, to 1/2000 because you have a slightly larger bird come in to view, like a stork, where you don't need the extra 1/2500 speed) your camera now overwrites your preferred preset and "saves" 1/2000 as your new wildlife setting. That, by far, is the biggest issue with Nikon's banks, and why I will never use them. The fact that you can do some housekeeping like loading files to reset your preset at the end of every shoot (or in the middle of a shoot I guess?!?) is not something I'm willing to deal with (Particularly with the mental keeping track of "Oh I changed a setting and now need to reload my banks or they will not be accurate" in the middle of a shoot! and it's just not simpler than my current system of manually changing things).

The RSF Hold setting is exactly what I want (and how ALL other camera preset systems that I have seen function), and I use it ALL the time. The only issue is that there is only one RSF Hold (ON or OFF) so it works, but only in a limited scenario (I have it set for action, so that when shooting at, say, 1/250 and f/8, if I suddenly see some action or a bird in flight, I can hit RSF using one button and quickly capture the action. Then I can go right back to my 1/250 shutter speed with another button press. THIS is how essentially ALL preset systems work, across all camera systems except Nikon's flagships.

I know, no matter what, when I hit that RSF Hold button, I am getting 1/2500/sec and maximum aperture, with multiple shot release and AF 3D tracking, period. No matter what I was shooting earlier. No matter what I intentionally or unintentionally "saved." No matter whether I remembered to "load" some file that morning. No matter whether the setting I wanted was in a "custom" bank or a "shooting" bank. The settings are recalled, instantly.
It. Just. Works.

If I'm in the field, where I am constantly changing my settings around, and I shoot an action shot and want to return to 1/250 shutter speed, but can't without first "loading a file from my memory card" (because , say, I wanted to take ONE shot at 1/800 a few minutes ago which overwrote my settings), then that is a problem (and it will be faster to just manually change my shutter speed!)

I've been to Japan and can't say I fully understand their culture, but it is, akin to Germany, a logical, ordered society. I really struggle to understand how such a convoluted system could have been invented by Japanese engineers...

I've watched all the videos on this and Henry Hudson's was... sort of ok, but this was much better. For me banks are of zero use until they fix the problems of A) overwrite and B) dual "shooting" and "custom" banks that both must be recalled, but if you want to try to find a use case for banks, this is by far the best video.

 
We’re probably going out in the weeds a little, but I don’t see “banks” as something to bounce back and forth between. For me they’re a “ get me in the neighborhood tool” that I select with the understanding that the settings are going to be modified as I shoot.

The big things, like focus modes and frame rates are unlikely to vary much during a days shooting, but if I switch from critters during the day to Astro in the evening I have a baseline set up for Astro in bank C.

The changes I made during the day are mostly pretty small, when I go back to critters in the morning I can switch back to A, and the changes I made yesterday become today’s baseline.

I generally check camera settings before I start shooting and if anything is wildly out of place I fix it and move on. The reality for me is I don’t want to spend a lot of time worrying about and fussing with banks.

I cut my teeth on match needle SLRs, and meterless TLRs, having to readjust everything depending on my subject. I’m pretty confident that I’m unlikely to change a deep level setting that will ruin my day.

Do I wish Nikon would clean the process up?

Of course.

Is it something that really matters to me?

Not at all. My old Rollie took wonderful pictures.

My Z8 is essentially 8 cameras in one for me.

Wow. What a brave new world to live in.
 
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@Captain Spaulding I think that's a useful way to view banks. I'll consider using them that way. A quick way of changing focus mode, focus tracking, frame rate, white balance, and ISO depending on the general type of shooting. But even then, the dual "shooting" and "custom" banks I need to set seems like too much of a hassle. It's just so bizarre the flagship camera gets an inferior preset system than I had years ago on the D750. This and the "no arca swiss grooves on our tripod feet" are by far the most annoying things about Nikon (and the preset thing is a problem unique to Nikon).

The RSF Hold option is really a game changer, and perhaps it's enough really. It gives you the all important immediate change in settings that you need in a time sensitive situation. For the rest of the time, it's not *that* difficult to take a minute to change 5 or 6 menu settings when you're doing something unique like astro or studio shooting where you usually have plenty of time to prepare.

Still, if I could put a bug in Nikon's ear, I would tell them to stop creating a new group of focus points, or new Picture Controls, or *anything* to do with video, and work on a usable preset system! :D Oh, and give us a real macro lens, like the old 200mm f/4 D !
 
I don't use them. I just prepare for what I am going to shoot. Or at least I try to. Sometimes I forget and get surprises later!
Banks let you set up the camera in advance for different situations. Of course if you are like me, they will be become easily changed and differ from my original intent
 
I do not. If I ever get to regularly shooting other than wildlife (e.g. people and landscapes) again, I will look into it again. I did play with them with Steve's book and a Youtube photographer's 'how to' on banks when the Z9 was fresh in my hands. Ignoring them really is part of my overall modern computerized cameras approach -- that is I barely scratch 1% use of all the stuff the camera can do.... :)
 
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