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Silly question. Is the reason an ftz adapter doesn't affect the performance or focal length of F mounts, because a mirrorless is that much thinner? if so are the S series measured differently or???
 
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Since 2006 when I purchased my first Nikon DSLR and 5 Nikon bodies later I tend to wait a year or two after introduction before purchasing a new body. I just purchased the D850 in August because the D750 has been a disappointment for me. Same with new Nikon Glass I usually wait and read the reviews. For years I wanted to complete the trifecta of the best Nikon Glass and just ordered a 70-200 f2.8 E FL Version as an example of waiting to buy Nikon Gear.
 
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Hut said:
Silly question. Is the reason an ftz adapter doesn't affect the performance or focal length of F mounts, because a mirrorless is that much thinner? if so are the S series measured differently or???
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There is a drop in AF performance with the FTZ adapter, although not sure if it's strictly because of the adapter or some other factor.

The reason it works is because the F-mount has a deep flange distance - 46.5mm, where the Z mount flange distance is just 16mm. (Flange distance describes the distance from the mount to the sensor). So, for an F-mount lens to work, you need an adapter that keeps the spacing at 46.5mm since that's how those lenses were designed.

The Z-mount lenses are the same focal length as their F-Mount counterparts (I think that's what you mean by measured), it's just that the F-mount are designed for the deeper flange, the Z mount for the shorter one. However, if you take a picture with a native 50mm on either camera, it's the same exact photo.
 
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There is a drop in AF performance with the FTZ adapter, although not sure if it's strictly because of the adapter or some other factor.

The reason it works is because the F-mount has a deep flange distance - 46.5mm, where the Z mount flange distance is just 16mm. (Flange distance describes the distance from the mount to the sensor). So, for an F-mount lens to work, you need an adapter that keeps the spacing at 46.5mm since that's how those lenses were designed.

The Z-mount lenses are the same focal length as their F-Mount counterparts (I think that's what you mean by measured), it's just that the F-mount are designed for the deeper flange, the Z mount for the shorter one. However, if you take a picture with a native 50mm on either camera, it's the same exact photo.
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Yes thank you for taking the time to reply and give a good explanation. I'm trying to learn bit by bit.
 
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I want to see how well the new cameras focus in AF-C mode and if the tracking of an erratically moving subject has been improved as this is a weakness of the current Z cameras.

This is an interesting article regarding how most FX lenses are not able to provide sufficient resolution for 45MP sensor equipped cameras. One needs to separate out the lens from other factors in comparing image quality between cameras. The author notes that all the new lenses, primes and zooms from Nikon for the Z cameras as able to resolve 45MP, so the lenses improve as the sensors improve. Nikon had to do the same 20 years ago when it first started making digital SLR cameras and old lenses exhibited a good deal of CA with the digital sensors.

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Why Nikon Should Not Make DSLRs Over 36 MP

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To get the most out of a Z7 camera one would need to own the very few lenses that can provide adequate resolution, the PC-E lenses, 14-24mm f/2.8, 24-70mm f/2.8G non VR version, 70-200mm f/2.8E FL, 500mm PF, and 600mm f/4. The alternative is to start investing in the Z lenses as they become available.
 
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Calson said:
I want to see how well the new cameras focus in AF-C mode and if the tracking of an erratically moving subject has been improved as this is a weakness of the current Z cameras.

This is an interesting article regarding how most FX lenses are not able to provide sufficient resolution for 45MP sensor equipped cameras. One needs to separate out the lens from other factors in comparing image quality between cameras. The author notes that all the new lenses, primes and zooms from Nikon for the Z cameras as able to resolve 45MP, so the lenses improve as the sensors improve. Nikon had to do the same 20 years ago when it first started making digital SLR cameras and old lenses exhibited a good deal of CA with the digital sensors.

photographylife.com

Why Nikon Should Not Make DSLRs Over 36 MP

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To get the most out of a Z7 camera one would need to own the very few lenses that can provide adequate resolution, the PC-E lenses, 14-24mm f/2.8, 24-70mm f/2.8G non VR version, 70-200mm f/2.8E FL, 500mm PF, and 600mm f/4. The alternative is to start investing in the Z lenses as they become available.
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The article is correct - however - it's also important to note that you will never get a worse result using a lower quality lens on a hi-res sensor. You'll ether get a slightly better result or an overall result that's the same as far as output is concerned. So, you'll see an advantage on the lenses you own that can take advantage of the higher res sensor, but no downside to the lenses that can't take full advantage.

Switching to the topic of the Z cameras - that's one nice thing about the new mount - it allows more optical engineering options and the current crop of S series lenses are really fantastic IMO. They do a good job utilizing that higher-res sensor in the Z. :)
 
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Letolen said:
Just curious
Is there a real need to rush to the newest camera?
How much improvement in your Photography do you get from a new camera?

Do you have attachment to your camera or is it just a tool?

Not sure if it just me I love watching the new cameras come out & reading reviews but happy with what I have or is that just living in the past.
I was very slow moving to digital from film as I didn't want to give up my camera that I had used for over 15 years.
Reading forums I feel ones like me a very rare 🤣
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I intend to order one Monday because I need the extended grip for the bottom of the camera. I shoot a lot of HS sports and after a few minutes of vertical shooting, my hand cramps. Also want a backup to my existing Z6 for my wife. I have taken over 20,000 pictures with my Z6 this past year, just for sports and I really love it. Great in low light and the color rendition is incredible.
 
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Since my photography is a hobby (not a business) upgrading when new cameras are released is not reasonable. I still haven't figured out all the things my newest camera can do. Many YouTubes showing how it works helps, but remembering how to use it in the field is still needed. I started photography with a Petri S7 35mm camera (1967), followed by a Nikon F3HP 35mm (1980). Everything was manual (I even did my own darkroom work). I bought a Nikon D90 in 2013 because all my lenses were compatible and my eyes require autofocus. Things appeared in focus to me but no one else. This was followed by a Nikon D5 (2020). I supplemented the lenses but still use some of the old lenses. Is there a new camera in my future, as long as the D5 keeps working I don't see one anytime soon.
 
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Hope I'm not hijacking this, I think it's related, but please move if not.

D810 user here. Finally after a lot thinking, I got my hands on a 500mm/5.6 PF. This lens "feels" wonderful, but the high ISO numbers I get with higher shutter speeds in overcast weather - which I love - cannot be fixed with my post-processing skills. I fear this is not only caused by my shooting skills, but also by the body and a 5.6 lens. Just not enough light.

Maybe a very used D5 or a Z would be better, that would mean spending lot of money, again. Are others experiencing this as well? I somewhat feel the D810 should still be good enough and it's just me. I also miss having a fast toggle between single-point AF and low shutter speeds and group AF and higher shutter speeds. So these new bodies and improved area AF do sound tempting. Is there a way to improve ISO and quick toggling of multiple setting with new bodies? This would somewhat make me think about switching, even if I don't want to.
 
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I agree with you.Why would want so many Cameras such as d750 d850 Mirrorless .when you can only use two Cameras if ever at atime .i don't wish to sound rude but i get the impression its a case of one up manship
 
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vectraboy1959 said:
No i still use my D7200 and love it, im familiar with it and my photographys not going to get better just because i have a new camera. As we all know its the photographer who gets those great shots not the camera.
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Hi vectaboy how do you like the D7200 as i am thinking about investing in one i have the D7000 plus my first ever camera the Pentax Ashia Spotmatic which brought in 1970 so as you can see i don't throw my money around
 
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To be honest I love to read about the newest models and watch live testing of them. But when it come to digging in the wallet for a new camera, I have a set of questions I pose myself "Is the current camera limiting my photography?" second "Can the new model solve the issue?". Yes to both, start digging the wallet.
To me it's just a tool, the interesting part is to find the subject, frame it, shoot, bringing back the trophy.
 
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@Dummy: I did the upgrade from D7000 to D7200 some years ago. I was especially annoyed by low light performance of the D7000, the small buffer that limits continuous shooting and the D7200 has a faster focusing system with more focus points. Operation wise the change was easy, the 2 cameras operate 99.5% identically and buttons are almost in same positions, so a flat learning curve on handling. But you need to learn the new limits, where is your point for when ISO noise are to high etc. To go from 16 Mp to 24 Mp is of course a plus, because you have lesser limits when cropping in post processing.
Of course the model is 5 years old by now, but don't think it's out-dated performance wise.
 
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Last month I shot a nostalgia gasser event at Miland Mich using a D3 with a AFS 80~200mmF2.8D and the results are super. I've used an even older 80~200mmF2.8 AF for USAC racing. And the D3 and a Sigma 800mmF5.6AF for local eagles and the results are great. I use a D600 along with the 200-500 and my D810 on my AFS 600mmF:4 G VR. I do not need the newer equipment because I've bought excellent glass and I know my cameras backward, forward and sideways, And then there is DeNoise AI which is great.
 
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Hut said:
Is the reason an ftz adapter doesn't affect the performance or focal length of F mounts, because a mirrorless is that much thinner?
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In addition to the answer above: Yes, it's really because mirrorless cameras are that much thinner or specifically because they're thinner due to the removal of the mirror box/shutter assembly.

So basically the FTZ adapter is basically the same as a macro extension tube which you need because the mirror box is missing and the lens was designed to sit further from the sensor than the mirrorless body and lens mount allows. Sure, it also provides the adaptation from the smaller diameter F mount to the larger diameter S lens mount but it's still basically an extension tube.

If you could mount your F lenses directly to the Z bodies with some kind of wafer thin adapter, your F lenses would focus past infinity and wouldn't focus as close as they do on an F mount camera due to the lens being too close to the sensor. Depending on the focal length of the lens some, like wide angle lenses, might not achieve focus at all and some very long focal length lenses might appear to work normally. So the FTZ adapter adds extension to restore the close focus distance and set the far focus distance back to the design of the lens. But it's still just a hollow tube so it doesn't have a direct impact on image quality the way a teleconverter with glass elements might.
 
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In addition to the answer above: Yes, it's really because mirrorless cameras are that much thinner or specifically because they're thinner due to the removal of the mirror box/shutter assembly.

So basically the FTZ adapter is basically the same as a macro extension tube which you need because the mirror box is missing and the lens was designed to sit further from the sensor than the mirrorless body and lens mount allows. Sure, it also provides the adaptation from the smaller diameter F mount to the larger diameter S lens mount but it's still basically an extension tube.

If you could mount your F lenses directly to the Z bodies with some kind of wafer thin adapter, your F lenses would focus way past infinity and wouldn't focus as close as they do on an F mount camera due to the lens being too close to the sensor. Depending on the focal length of the lens some, like wide angle lenses, might not achieve focus at all and some very long focal length lenses might appear to work normally. So the FTZ adapter adds extension to restore the close focus distance and set the far focus distance back to the design of the lens. But it's still just a hollow tube so it doesn't have a direct impact on image quality the way a teleconverter with glass elements might.
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Thanks, makes sense not sure why I didn't put it together. Now I can plainly see the focal plane mark is at the back of dslrs and would assume if I measured that against the mirrorless including the adapter it would be the same or very close
 
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Niels.hr.Hansen said:
@Dummy: I did the upgrade from D7000 to D7200 some years ago. I was especially annoyed by low light performance of the D7000, the small buffer that limits continuous shooting and the D7200 has a faster focusing system with more focus points. Operation wise the change was easy, the 2 cameras operate 99.5% identically and buttons are almost in same positions, so a flat learning curve on handling. But you need to learn the new limits, where is your point for when ISO noise are to high etc. To go from 16 Mp to 24 Mp is of course a plus, because you have lesser limits when cropping in post processing.
Of course the model is 5 years old by now, but don't think it's out-dated performance wise.
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Thankyou Niels for advice Tony australia
 
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Dummy said:
Hi vectaboy how do you like the D7200 as i am thinking about investing in one i have the D7000 plus my first ever camera the Pentax Ashia Spotmatic which brought in 1970 so as you can see i don't throw my money around
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Hi, as i said i really like the D7200 i think it just seems to do everything really well...i use it for birds in flight, also macro and anything really. Sure there are cameras that are better for certain things, maybe more megapixels or faster frame rates etc but for what i do The D7200 fits well. The price here in australia i have seen D7200 body only for 1000 dollars and even less at some sites. Of course theres the D7500 as well but for me ill stick with the D7200.
 
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I just upgraded from my Z6 to Z7 a few months ago. I'm still getting used to my Z7 and don't need the anxiety of learning something new, not to mention the hit on trade-in plus the new dollars needed. I'd rather get more Z glass knowing that that can/will be used for future Z bodies if/when I do upgrade.
 
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vectraboy1959 said:
Hi, as i said i really like the D7200 i think it just seems to do everything really well...i use it for birds in flight, also macro and anything really. Sure there are cameras that are better for certain things, maybe more megapixels or faster frame rates etc but for what i do The D7200 fits well. The price here in australia i have seen D7200 body only for 1000 dollars and even less at some sites. Of course theres the D7500 as well but for me ill stick with the D7200.
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Thankyou Mate will start looking😊
 
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Depends on the individual's needs / goals / plans. I have a D7200 and a Z6. I'd love to move to a D500 and upgrade to a Z6 ii, but I'm in no rush. I've always prioritized glass, then bodies - I tend to keep bodies for quite a while. Part of the reason I love Nikon is because I feel we get tremendous mileage from their products. That said, I do see a Z6 ii somewhere in my 2021. I likely won't invest in another DSLR at this point, I'm committing fully to the Z system. I'm really looking forward to the 200-600 Z lens :love: and I'm close to pulling the trigger on the Z 20 1.8, and Z 85 1.8 before anything else (waiting patiently for holiday markdowns):)
 
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