New Z9 firmware update - V5.10
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Z9II, @Nimi.
For ii I have a much longer list. But I'm really hoping for a dedicated cine body or a cine variant.
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Can you please give us noobies three examples of when you would use this and how you would use it? Thanks.For me, mostly vid shooter, the shutter angle is.
The rest are mostly PZ features, for which I have no use/interest.
I'll watch it, but I won't stop seeing @Nimi s avatar until he speaks his truth.
Three? At 830am? You're pushing it.
But really, always. The relationship between fps and shutter speed is probably the most important aspect of transforming a series of sequential stills into a movie. For most, almost all shooters, that's 180°. Vary from it, and you get choppy footage that can't be salvaged in post. The optimal fps is 24-30 but there are reasons to shoot at 50, 60, 120, and 240. And if you're shooting time-lapses, 1 or even less fps (clouds take a 3sec exposure in 6 sec intervals, so 10 frames per minute). As we move through our fps equation, setting the shutter angle at a constant (ie 180) lets the camera adjust the shutter speed accordingly.
BTW, and related, if you go through this logic, add that your ISO is pretty much fixed at native/s, you run into the exposure equation. In most cases, outdoors, you're either way overexposed, a crime, or you're forced into a tiny little iris which is a stylistic decision. That's why we all carry NDs.
I'll post a little later a short clip of a sunset timelapse I captured for a bigger project. It looks simple, and it is, but takes some thinking. Shutter angle setting would have helped the workflow as I was trying to find the ideal set of shutter speed, interval, ISO, ND strength and f-stop.
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Thanks for the explanation. In other words, you're two cups short on caffeine. If I understand correctly, if I leave my angle at 180 I can change my FPS, and it will adjust SS to what people believe is normal. I need to watch my exposure with the set ISO, but I had to do that before plus remember to change the SS.Three? At 830am? You're pushing it.
So when do people change the shutter angle? I mean like 5.6 is an interesting number.
So shutter angle is a way to set shutter speed as a function of fps, so that if you change fps, shutter speed changes automatically too? Does that mean a 180 degree angle puts shutter speed at 1/(2 x fps)? Would a 120 degree angle mean shutter speed is 1/(3 x fps)?Three? At 830am? You're pushing it.
But really, always. The relationship between fps and shutter speed is probably the most important aspect of transforming a series of sequential stills into a movie. For most, almost all shooters, that's 180°. Vary from it, and you get choppy footage that can't be salvaged in post. The optimal fps is 24-30 but there are reasons to shoot at 50, 60, 120, and 240. And if you're shooting time-lapses, 1 or even less fps (clouds take a 3sec exposure in 6 sec intervals, so 10 frames per minute). As we move through our fps equation, setting the shutter angle at a constant (ie 180) lets the camera adjust the shutter speed accordingly.
BTW, and related, if you go through this logic, add that your ISO is pretty much fixed at native/s, you run into the exposure equation. In most cases, outdoors, you're either way overexposed, a crime, or you're forced into a tiny little iris which is a stylistic decision. That's why we all carry NDs.
I'll post a little later a short clip of a sunset timelapse I captured for a bigger project. It looks simple, and it is, but takes some thinking. Shutter angle setting would have helped the workflow as I was trying to find the ideal set of shutter speed, interval, ISO, ND strength and f-stop.
I'm two down now, one to go.
You don't mess with ISO. Find out what your native is, probably around 800, and leave it there. Don't touch it. For log shooting, the noise and dynamic range are really optimized for that value, or values for those camera with dual ISO.
My workflow is this:
1. Decide what the export fps is. 24/25 for almost everything, 30 for YouTube, 60 or 120 if I am going for slow motion output. Let's say 25.
2. Shutter speed is set at 1/50 which is shutter angle 180. It never changes.
3. ISO was already set at 800 for H265 10-bit, N-Log, 8k, which is my standard settings.
4. So now I need to set exposure. I only have two tools left at my disposal, f-stop and ND filters. I pick the f-stop I need for my look, which can be wide open for punched-in portraits or at 11 or above for broad vistas and wider angle lenses. I then dial in exposure using the NDs.
I will sometime have to move among frame-rates on a single shoot. For example, the shoot i am doing now has both normal and slow-motion clips in the same sequence. And timelapse. With the new shutter angle it's one thing I will no longer worry about, simply flipping the frame rate then repeating step 4 above.
As far as shooting at angles different from 180, there are example of artistic expressions that take advantage of choppy or dreamy-smooth effects that the director wants to do in camera, not in post. Fight sequences, trench war, music videos all come to mind. I don't do that in camera, I want the purest, most perfect files to start with. I can get similar results in Adobe After Effects and I don't work on big-budget movies.
Yup. Here is the calculator I use. And he actually makes a good point worth repeating, it's hard to get a video to look cinematic at 1/120 shutter speed, even if the 180 rule is obeyed. The intra-frame blur is really important and depending on your subject, you might not get it at 1/120. Also, if the subject is very still, none of it matters...
Shutter Speed to Shutter Angle Calculator | Alik Griffin
Want to calculate shutter speed to shutter angle and vice versa easily? Use this quick, easy to use conversion tool.
alikgriffin.com
John Navitsky
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i totally agree with this. and in the few rare cases there have been hiccups, nikon letting you downgrade pretty much reduces the risk to zero if you simply don’t discard the old fw.
I'm still not updating my two bodies until I finish this project...
I agree with you Nimi.! We love everything Nikon add. I am not a good video shooter yet but I was happy to see what we can do today with this camera and this firmware.
i was watching this morning on YouTube channels, how some are frustrated with Nikon for not giving a precapture raw yet, instead of being happy that we got something videographers are asking for certain time.
i hope you will get both requests soon , even I don’t understand what they do; I have to read more about open gate and RedRaw. I am still learning a lot from you and thank you!
John Navitsky
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i don’t think it’s wishful thinking. i think the purchase of red is a good indication they want to play in this space
John Navitsky
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and that’s prudent too. i often advise people not to change things at critical times
John Navitsky
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all this video talk just reminds me how much i don’t know. while i felt like i more or less have my arms around stills (at least conceptually), there’s this whole other world out there.. in the camera i already own 
I was among the cynics on that acquisition, but delighted to see their actions since then.
maxxus46
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Agreed. Nikon handles firmware updates really well, even allowing rollback to previous versions which other manufacturer do not allow (looking at you Sony!). I remember upgrading my Sony A1 firmware from version 1.32, it was never the same camera after that. Every upgrade after 1.32 seemed like a regression in AF speed and precision, and to date has never been resolved. I do not see such issues with Nikon FW updates which is great!
ajrmd
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I'm still intrigued by all of the secrecy and speculation behind FW updates. It seems to me that a camera company such as Nikon could use this as a marketing tool. Laying out proposed FW updates or providing general insights could be used effectively to boost sales. Think of how many more units they would sell if they suggested that RAW pre-capture was on the table?
Having worked in that world for many years, companies which produce software tools for consumers and businesses have learned to underpromise and overdeliver. In Nikon's case, customer backlash would be harsh if it promised something it either didn't deliver or took an inordindately long time to do so. I'm not surprised by Nikon's approach and it's exactly how it should conduct business.
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Thank you, Nimi.Yup. Here is the calculator I use. And he actually makes a good point worth repeating, it's hard to get a video to look cinematic at 1/120 shutter speed, even if the 180 rule is obeyed. The intra-frame blur is really important and depending on your subject, you might not get it at 1/120. Also, if the subject is very still, none of it matters...
Shutter Speed to Shutter Angle Calculator | Alik Griffin
Want to calculate shutter speed to shutter angle and vice versa easily? Use this quick, easy to use conversion tool.
John Navitsky
Well-known member
i also think they want to focus on the camera in front of you instead of the camera it might be, someday
True.
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