Nikon to hold meeting for major dealers - Z8 hopefully?

[Ken Miracle]

No, is refurbished with limited warranty and now gone. There is a thread on it.

It was gone and then back up I ordered one and got confirmation e mail at 1:56 PM MST today 2-25-23.

Been waiting I wanted a second Z9 since it is a form factor that is a perfect fit for my needs. One will wear the Z800 as it does now most of the time and the other m Z100-400 that could change if the Z200-600 ever comes out.

My wife is smaller has arthritis and her Z50 with Z400 f/4.5 is her go to bird camera and she has taken over our backup camera a Z6II and her favorite lens on it is the new Tamron z mount 70-300 another light lens.

 

[Nimi]

It was gone and then back up I ordered one and got confirmation e mail at 1:56 PM MST today 2-25-23.

Been waiting I wanted a second Z9 since it is a form factor that is a perfect fit for my needs. One will wear the Z800 as it does now most of the time and the other m Z100-400 that could change if the Z200-600 ever comes out.

My wife is smaller has arthritis and her Z50 with Z400 f/4.5 is her go to bird camera and she has taken over our backup camera a Z6II and her favorite lens on it is the new Tamron z mount 70-300 another light lens.

The Z9s make a perfect matched pair. Congrats Ken

 

[O]

Nikon Rumors reports that major Nikon meetings scheduled for next month (March 2023) – I think we are getting closer to the Z8 announcement

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/#ixzz7tthtTk39

Do they usually hold meetings like this to announce example a Z8 ?

I recall there big into robotics etc ?

Could it be........

Finally getting into drones ?
Manufacturing location and techenque with capacity changes that will see supply improve ?
Could factories move back into Japan or even a new location Germany.
Agent distributor changes ?
Opening an on line store ?
Staff cuts ?
Restructuring?
Selling to or buying Sony, or a merging deal ?
Buying Tamron LOL ?
Sigma mount now out for Z camera ?
HMMMM............what else could it be?

Like its a head spin, almost as exciting as watching The Bold and the Beautiful LOL.

If its the Z8 launch well its pretty clear Canon rained on their parade as they just announced their 60mp 12 fps............which was the roomer the Z8 was to be ?

It seems The Z9 has hit the box shifters and pipe lined with falling prices, does this mean the Z9 II is here soon with the hardware mods and turbocharger.

Now the good glass is all here could it be announcing a Z6III Z7III Z8, its a mystery box but exciting LOL, I mean has the Z9 money train pulled up and closing out this financial period ? hence its time to launch the next boom.

We will just have to wait LOL.

I have to be first to get one, what ever it is, i just love waiting and waiting and waiting for delivery, love helping Nikon finish building the product in the field and rectify all the issues again over the coming year, it was fun wasn't it LOL

I am exited what ever it is.

Good on you Nikon you have proved everyone wrong once again.

Only an opinion

 

[MrFotoFool]

The announcement will be a new point-and-shoot pocket camera!

 

[gdecamp]

When the D3 was announced they also announced a D300. Could that happen again with a Z8 and Z80? Maybe that D500 mirrorless is closer than many think? That would make me happy!

 

[Ken Miracle]

The announcement will be a new point-and-shoot pocket camera!

There was a special segment on national news recently about a big resurgence of point and shoot cameras among the younger crowd who like the imperfect old fashioned results. They interviewed a guy at a camera store who claimed he was selling 100's of them and could not get stock in fast enough. Maybe that is why the 200-600 has not shown up yet .... production shifted to pocket point and shoots I gotta dig out my coolpix W300 and check it might be worth big $.

 

[ssheipel]

Gawd, I'm so over product announcements with the months/year long gaps between announcements and the product actually being available. I'm pouting you can maybe tell I'm passing on a bear and wolf tour as I continue to wait for the 600 tc (originally ordered the 800 pf)....

 

[Wes Peterson]

The "new training" aspect of these rumors has me thinking. Ive also read that the Z 9 is actually going to get the custom shutter sound feature teased awhile back. Maybe these meetings arent just about a new product but firmware 4.0 for the Z9.

 

[thelordofthelight]

Yeah fw 4.0 for Z9- Custom shutter sounds, 30fps HE or HE*, pre capture in HE, more customization
major fw update for the Z6II/7II with Z9 goodies….for the Nikon shooters, that’d be seriously as good as a new product announcement!

The "new training" aspect of these rumors has me thinking. Ive also read that the Z 9 is actually going to get the custom shutter sound feature teased awhile back. Maybe these meetings arent just about a new product but firmware 4.0 for the Z9.

 

[O]

The announcement will be a new point-and-shoot pocket camera!

I am going to camp all night out the front of B and H and be the first to get one, what ever it is.

 

[O]

Yeah fw 4.0 for Z9- Custom shutter sounds, 30fps HE or HE*, pre capture in HE, more customization
major fw update for the Z6II/7II with Z9 goodies….for the Nikon shooters, that’d be seriously as good as a new product announcement!

Its bit like being excited the night before xmase, wondering whats santa going to leave me LOL

 

[Bob Hullinger]

There was a special segment on national news recently about a big resurgence of point and shoot cameras among the younger crowd who like the imperfect old fashioned results. They interviewed a guy at a camera store who claimed he was selling 100's of them and could not get stock in fast enough. Maybe that is why the 200-600 has not shown up yet .... production shifted to pocket point and shoots I gotta dig out my coolpix W300 and check it might be worth big $.

Hi Ken. For those not paying attention the real push leading photographic development and controlling the camera market is the phone market. Don't tell anyone. It's a carefully guarded secret This is an interesting watch. https://fstoppers.com/software/end-professional-photography-614707

 

[O]

When the D3 was announced they also announced a D300. Could that happen again with a Z8 and Z80? Maybe that D500 mirrorless is closer than many think? That would make me happy!

Could be well true, the D500 replacement will generate sales of lenses 400 f4.5, 200-600, and in kit lenses, the D500 with the 200-500 was the most popular affordable selling combo for bird photographers in its time.


Hypothesis.......

Its hard to tell whats exactly coming in the announcement. I mean getting major dealers all in is telling.

Its i guess easier to speculate from whats needed or missing.

The huge money flow from Z9 units are seeing this financial year out ending in April for Nikon ?, whats the next product that will keep the cash flowing in 2023/24 is a good question.

I mean you wouldn't launch a Z8 while high demand for the Z9 is still happening, its logical to wait till the Z9 has pipe lined and collecting dust on retail store shelves, that moment is getting close as we see box shifters down $1500 on pricing for the Z9, that's a concern in only 12 months, hence i feel the new type of product and consumer will see more frequent model changes releases updates.

The Z9 launch success is a bit like the fireworks show is now over thing, Nikon needs to underpin or harness the momentum and attention..........

The time is now to allow the expensive Z8 to be launched, then underpinning that high performing Z8 with the refresh of more affordable but still overpriced Z6II Z7III units, or better still seeing Canon has stolen the lime light with their release of the 60 mp 12 fps model, it could be a good time to hold back the Z8, and in place launch the Z6 III Z7III, who knows.

I hope what ever camera? if thats waht it is Nikon announces they get back to a better user friendly menu system.

One thing is for certain things are not going to get cheaper and product supply will be kept tight......its more profitable to do so.

Only an opinion

 

[O]

Hi Ken. For those not paying attention the real push leading photographic development and controlling the camera market is the phone market. Don't tell anyone. It's a carefully guarded secret This is an interesting watch. https://fstoppers.com/software/end-professional-photography-614707

Largely true, excellent summary in the clip, the camera industry is down around 50% plus ?? or thereabouts, coinciding with similar down turn in so many camera club member participants............the existing camera manufactures have been squeezed further in to a smaller market segment, professionals and enthusiast, that also has a limited use by period, video, and (stills if at all even needed in the future) will shrink that niche eventually, that's why the industry has invested into hybrid and video soon adding connectivity, for sports action Drones will be more the new camera body streaming live footage as well as providing internet usable stills all with new interesting perspectives.

Technology moving camera technology and systems used in Australian football matches has now been exported OS, even stationary TV cameras have been partly sidelined.

I call it generational change, the camera industry knows exactly whats happening, why and whats needed to survive for now, running on less volume higher margins will only last for some time, the war is in software and technology mainly matching up with the newer generation of consumers.

Diversity and vertical integration is a saving grace at least in monetary terms but abandoning traditional products, its a case of get in or get out.

You have heard the saying "Follow the money trail" it will show you the thief, well now its "follow what people are viewing things through or on", then you will see the future.

Its easier for phone manufacturers to get into the camera market than it is for camera manufacturers to get into the Phone company market.

One thing is we are in a world of constant change, exciting in one way tragic in another.

Surfs up, see ya

Only an opinion

 

[IainD]

The announcement will be a new point-and-shoot pocket camera!

Nah! Phone camera.

 

[Bob Hullinger]

Could be well true, the D500 replacement will generate sales of lenses 400 f4.5, 200-600, and in kit lenses, the D500 with the 200-500 was the most popular affordable selling combo for bird photographers in its time.


Hypothesis.......

Its hard to tell whats exactly coming in the announcement. I mean getting major dealers all in is telling.

Its i guess easier to speculate from whats needed or missing.

The huge money flow from Z9 units are seeing this financial year out ending in April for Nikon ?, whats the next product that will keep the cash flowing in 2023/24 is a good question.

I mean you wouldn't launch a Z8 while high demand for the Z9 is still happening, its logical to wait till the Z9 has pipe lined and collecting dust on retail store shelves, that moment is getting close as we see box shifters down $1500 on pricing for the Z9, that's a concern in only 12 months, hence i feel the new type of product and consumer will see more frequent model changes releases updates.

The Z9 launch success is a bit like the fireworks show is over thing, Nikon needs to underpin or harness the momentum and attention..........

The time is now to allow the expensive Z8 to be launched, then underpinning that high performing Z8 the refresh more affordable but still overpriced Z6II Z7III, or better still seeing Canon has stolen the lime light with their release of the 60 mp 12 fps model, it could be a good time to hold back the Z8, and in place launch the Z6 III Z7III, who knows.

I hope what ever camera Nikon announces they get back to a better user friendly menu system.

Only an opinion

What is the real purpose of this thread? Isn't there a Steve Perry thread posted somewhere up above about "NO PRODUCT BASHING"?

I remember when I first discovered the Steve Perry BCG brand name and associated it with wildlife photography excellence. It seemed then that encouraging and educating photographers was the prime goal when I discovered a guy named Steve Perry. He was writing great books and sharing excellent instructional videos and also had outstanding forums at the BCG site.

When I bought all the Nikon books and bought the BCG membership I thought I was in a positive group with the goal of promoting making others better wildlife photographers and promoting being a better user of cameras, lenses and gear. About a third of the tripods, heads and techniques I use came from watching Steve in action in videos. I cannot honestly say that is totally true any longer given the unending, biased, contempt filled product bashing threads that permeate the website.

I seriously do not get why so many websites seem to exist simply to sponsor the latest "WHY I HATE NIKON" threads and promote the conspiracy theory of the day about things there is no clue will ever happen. And worst of all, that no matter how much complaining one does, bashing Nikon about perceived future sins will not change the future. Being unhappy with the past or present is one thing but is bashing a company because of predictions realistic, ethical or, most of all, fair?

It's truly a shame that BCG has become one of the websites allowing content posted solely for the purpose of degrading a single company. The real solution is obvious. If an individual is unhappy with Nikon (or Sony, or Canon, or Hasslebald, etc.) sell their gear and find a camera that pleases them more but it doesn't seem to be the path most commonly followed.

Isn't there anything related to photography that is more interesting than threads trolling and bashing NIKON continuously to the point of complaining about Nikon's "failures" before they even happen and then bashing Nikon even further for not selling their products fast enough?

I don't get it. Or maybe I just don't want to understand such negativity about something that is supposed to be enjoyed.

 

[Ken Miracle]

Hi Ken. For those not paying attention the real push leading photographic development and controlling the camera market is the phone market. Don't tell anyone. It's a carefully guarded secret This is an interesting watch. https://fstoppers.com/software/end-professional-photography-614707

that is what the new report was about young people thinking that the phone cameras were to good and hence buying the point in shoot ... that is the latest trend fstoppers is behind the curve stuck in 2022 .... LOL

 

[Ken Miracle]

Largely true, excellent summary in the clip, the camera industry is down around 50% plus, coinciding with similar down turn in so many camera club member participants............the existing camera manufactures have been squeezed in to a smaller market segment that also has a limited use by period, video, and stills if at all even needed in the future will shrink that niche eventually, that's why the industry has invested into hybrid and video so much, for sports action Drones will be more the new camera body streaming live footage as well as providing internet usable stills.

I call it generational change, the camera industry knows exactly whats happening, why and whats needed to survive for now, running on less volume higher margins will only last for some time, the war is in software and technology mainly matching up with the newer generation of consumers.

You have heard the saying "Follow the money trail" it will show you the thief, well now its "follow what people are viewing things through or on", then you will see the future.

Its easier for phone manufacturers to get into the camera market than it is for camera manufacturers to get into the Phone company market.

In my mind i have always believed its critical to simply control your own software, hardware is hardware and easily outsourced, i mean loose and arm or leg you can get one made and move on, its a bit hard to do that with parts of the brain or whole brain, for now anyway.

One thing is we are in a world of constant change, exciting in one way tragic in another.

Surfs up, see ya

Only an opinion

Ironically our camera club membership is up significantly with more new members than old members lost in the last year. There are new members who use only a phone. There are others who are big into doing filters, textures etc etc. ... and it really does not matter it is a good photograph or not ... there are others who are invested in the latest flagship Nikon, Sony, Canon, Olympus micro four thirds etc.. quite a variety.

 

[O]

Ironically our camera club membership is up significantly with more new members than old members lost in the last year. There are new members who use only a phone. There are others who are big into doing filters, textures etc etc. ... and it really does not matter it is a good photograph or not ... there are others who are invested in the latest flagship Nikon, Sony, Canon, Olympus micro four thirds etc.. quite a variety.

Good to hear Ken,
We had 400 member's and going strong and now we are just under 200, we know its not the club because so many clubs have been saying the same thing, we have some new members, young ones at that, so that's promising, but gee we had a hard time even getting a president secretary elected last year, hopefully things will look up.

I think what F Stoppers has said in their link is partly but not totally true, it appears the direction is driven by powers well above our pay grade LOL.

Two new member's joined last week both use DGI drones, no cameras as we know. We have several phone camera members now, i think it also has a lot to do with what subject they shoot mostly, good to see, some of the work is amazing and the drone footage and shots have all been on the money.

Only an opinion

 

[O]

that is what the new report was about young people thinking that the phone cameras were to good and hence buying the point in shoot ... that is the latest trend fstoppers is behind the curve stuck in 2022 .... LOL

I think the Canon CEO said it clearly about video, connectivity and transmission is an integral part of their future design criteria.

If young people eventually experience and enjoy what they do on their phones they may very well move into detachable lens cameras, here is hoping.

I feel a lot of what F Stoppers said is true but not all, they may be looking to tap into the Phone users as potential new camera users........Nikon has a lot of new toys to attract them with..............LOL

 

[Ken Miracle]

I think the Canon CEO said it clearly about video, connectivity and transmission is an integral part of their future design criteria.

If young people eventually experience and enjoy what they do on their phones they may very well move into detachable lens cameras, here is hoping.

I feel a lot of what F Stoppers said is true but not all, they may be looking to tap into the Phone users as potential new camera users........Nikon has a lot of new toys to attract them with..............LOL

Things change fast and that video was put out 8-22 and who knows when it was produced

Also what is a "thing" or "trend" in New York City may not be in Chicago or LA let alone Boise, Idaho

I do a lecture for a High School photography class on wildlife photography and gear every semester. I also mentored a senior this year for his senior project which was wildlife photography.

I have not "seen" the trend to point and shoots here in Boise but I have seen the trend to video being important to the kids I work with. However it has changed over the last 7 years from most of the class using only a cell phone to most using DSLR's or mirroless and even 2 in the last class shooting film and had dark rooms at home.

The senior I mentored ordered a mid range canon mirrorless because he could afford it and it did fairly good video and regular photographs.

 

[O]

Things change fast and that video was put out 8-22 and who knows when it was produced

Also what is a "thing" or "trend" in New York City may not be in Chicago or LA let alone Boise, Idaho

I do a lecture for a High School photography class on wildlife photography and gear every semester. I also mentored a senior this year for his senior project which was wildlife photography.

I have not "seen" the trend to point and shoots here in Boise but I have seen the trend to video being important to the kids I work with. However it has changed over the last 7 years from most of the class using only a cell phone to most using DSLR's or mirroless and even 2 in the last class shooting film and had dark rooms at home.

The senior I mentored ordered a mid range canon mirrorless because he could afford it and it did fairly good video and regular photographs.

Awesome Ken, that's very kind and generous of you, should be more of it..........the world would be better for it as will photography.

Sony has made extremely deep inroads here into schools, i offered my D7100 with a 18-70mm lens to my grand daughter, she was overwhelmed but said thank you, but no, i use the school camera and its a Sony and that's what i want to buy when i get older as i know how to use it, i edit all my work in my Phone using Snapseed its free.

I am led to believe Sony is now the number one camera in Japan ?

My grand daughter asked me what cameras i have i told her i am all Nikon and have been for a long time, whats your favorite one she asked i said, i love my D3x its my very dear old friend and we have done so many extraordinary things together with out a single hitch, they don't make cameras like that anymore, we laughed..........
I said but i do love now my D850 as the best all round DSLR, i enjoy the Z9 i have but would now like it in a smaller body like the Sony or Z7.........

I said to her that the best camera in the world is the one you have in your hand at the time.
I also said to her that when she is seriously ready and not just going through a phase, i will buy her the Sony system of her choice.

She asked me will you ever change to Sony and what do you think of them, i said, Sony is excellent full stop, as is Canon as is Nikon, its you that makes the difference.
A good photographer can use anything well.
She said many of my class mates have all got some sort of Sony camera similar to the ones at school, i told to let me know and i will send her one for now.

Then if and when she is seriously committed my offer still stands.

Kids hay.........

Have a great day, the ocean was amazingly warm today, going back in tomorrow, February to May is the warmest time i feel.

Only an opinion

 

[Robjwilli]

If its the Z8 launch well its pretty clear Canon rained on their parade as they just announced their 60mp 12 fps............which was the roomer the Z8 was to be ?

What Canon is this?

 

[Nimi]

What Canon is this?

R5 Mk II, but I think it's a rumored, not announced.

 

[O]

What Canon is this?

In early 2022 i felt waiting till 2023 which i could do easily as i just received my Z9 24th December 2021, the wait would be worth while as lots of things will have panned out or be clearer, and we will see some action worth waiting for, lots of new glass, lots of used FX glass hitting the market.

I still feel (hoping) the R1 will be here soon with a high bar, the Sony A1 II will also be here in 2023 and Nikon will have to shift up gears to keep up. Now that's only my personal wish list and opinion, nothing else.



Canon EOS R5 Mark II
One of the newest Canon’s cameras that will be released in Q2 2023 is the Canon EOS R5 Mark II. There are a number of significant changes from the original EOS R5, which was released in 2020. For example, the Canon EOS R5 Mark 2 would contain a 61-megapixel sensor, which is a size that we have not seen in any other Canon body. You can also record 8K video at 60 fps. A new cooling mechanism should ensure that you can film longer than the EOS R5, without overheating. For example, you could film up to 60 minutes of 4K video in one go.

We knew Canon has had the 100 mp sensor idea on the planning table for a while...........so at this stage its still being designed so i read.............

Canon EOS R5S
There are rumors that Canon will release a new R5 camera in 2023. This is the last camera in the list with Canons newest cameras. One that will have a very high resolution, namely 100 MP. Canon has to develop a new sensor for this, because we haven’t seen any other Canon camera that has these specifications. The R5S is competing against Fujifilm, which already has a 100 MP camera. Namely the GFX 100s. Canon also overtakes the Sony A7R V with this camera, which has 61 megapixels.

Very high resolution sensor: 100 MP full-frame CMOS-sensor
Super high resolution video: 8K video at 30 fps
Slow motion: 4K video at 60 or 120 fps
Fast focusing: Dual Pixel CMOS Af II deep learning
Compact: lightweight design
Built-in stabilization: image stabilization up to 8 stops
3.2" fully articulating touchscreen
Wide variety of lenses: choose from Canon RF- and EF-lenses (with converter)
Transfer photos using WiFI
Double storage slots

I mean things can all change, it will be interesting to see what Nikon has to say in March.


What i want is a Z7 body with 60 mp 12 fps and vastly imporved focusing sytem as well as freindlier easy to use menue, if thats a Z8 yipi

Only an opinion