Sony a9iii and 300 GM Announced - Official Discussion Thread

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not sure that this will be a popular camera. For just 500$ more you can get the A1, or for $2000 less you can get the Z8
that's fair. i think you are right, this isn't going to fly off shelves. but you have to get a foothold with new tech and this gives them a starting point.

I'm honestly not sure how much better cameras get from here: We have enough pixels, enough FPS, incredible AF, great color in all of the top bodies.
this part i definitely don't agree with. there's room for a huge amount of improvements, esp. in af* and dynamic range.

* maybe not for a lot of people's subjects, but for super challenging subjects, all the players have a LOT of room for improvement, despite how good they are
 
6,000 is ridiculous, not sure that this will be a popular camera. For just 500$ more you can get the A1, or for $2000 less you can get the Z8 which is likely a better wildlife camera anyways.

Not a lot of people want 120 fps anyway, that's too many files to go through. I'm honestly not sure how much better cameras get from here: We have enough pixels, enough FPS, incredible AF, great color in all of the top bodies. Price will likely be the main factor in camera choice for me. Another massive development might ruin action/BIF photography in general because it's just too easy.
Weren't we all shooting 18-24MP FF DSLR cameras like 1DXII and D5 etc and paying $6500 just a few short years ago?

All of a sudden $6K is "ridiculous"? Canon R3 was $6K at release and is nothing innovative at all.
 
There is no flash sync speed with GS, you could shoot 1/80,000th. At that point you're shutter speed is faster than a lot of flash durations from most common available strobes besides some of the most expensive studio packs like the Profoto Pro-11 (which can produce 1/80,000th flash duration). Some very powerful potential for stopping motion
OK, that is a game changer. Its going to bring a bit of life back into the flash market too.
 
I’ve been tied up with work so I haven’t had much time to dog in but I’ve got a few questions.

Did they say what card slots? What’s the buffer in say 40 or 60 fps? What fps can pre capture be set to? Did they narrow down spring time to available ship dates?

For the a1 firmware is it really just those 3 things? So no updates to AF? No precapture?
 
OK, that is a game changer. Its going to bring a bit of life back into the flash market too.
Isn't the high sync speed only applicable to hotshoe mounted speedlights, though? If you can only go up to 1/500 with your various mounted lights I'm not so sure how widely used this is going to be. For most forms of artificially lit photography the location of your light sources is far, far, far, far more important than things like flash duration. You could have a flash that perfectly replicates the sunlight of whatever time of day you want but if photographers can't place it where they want nobody would use it.
 
Isn't the high sync speed only applicable to hotshoe mounted speedlights, though? If you can only go up to 1/500 with your various mounted lights I'm not so sure how widely used this is going to be. For most forms of artificially lit photography the location of your light sources is far, far, far, far more important than things like flash duration. You could have a flash that perfectly replicates the sunlight of whatever time of day you want but if photographers can't place it where they want nobody would use it.
No, it would be all strobes controlled by the camera.
 
OK, that is a game changer. Its going to bring a bit of life back into the flash market too.
Yeah, as far as I know the Profoto Pro-11 studio pack is the only that reaches that short of duration, but it's $17,000. Like godox, broncolor, etc 2400W+ studio packs are barely getting down to 1/20,000th. The Profoto D2 monolight can get to 1/63,000th, but the power will be minuscule with that. The problem getting such short flash duration is that you need to start with such a massively powerful flash to start with because the short durations are like 1/128th power etc. Would be really interesting to see what the flash market will do in response to this.
 
Isn't the high sync speed only applicable to hotshoe mounted speedlights, though? If you can only go up to 1/500 with your various mounted lights I'm not so sure how widely used this is going to be. For most forms of artificially lit photography the location of your light sources is far, far, far, far more important than things like flash duration. You could have a flash that perfectly replicates the sunlight of whatever time of day you want but if photographers can't place it where they want nobody would use it.
HSS can be used with off camera monolights and stuff as well. I shoot portraits and frequently use my location monolights in HSS mode so I can shoot at higher shutter speeds and control the ambient light more. The problem with HSS is that it reduces the effective power of your flash and lengthens the flash duration, so you lose light and motion freezing power when you use them in HSS mode. Since switching to mirrorless I've started used clip-in ND filters over the sensor to control the ambient and keep out of HSS mode, thus giving me more flash power and more motion freezing if that's something I need.

With global shutter and not having to worry about HSS at all it would eliminate all need for ND's and all that, so it's a really exciting development for location portraits like I shoot. Not work $6,000 at this point, but once it trickles down to higher MP and cheaper bodies it will be a great boost to location portrait/elopement shooters
 
Been wondering whether anyone was going to come out with a 300 2.8. It's been noticeably missing in mirrorless format. Best and least used lens I've ever owned was the Nikon 300 2.8 VRii. Awesome lens but just not very useful for the wildlife that I shoot.
I'm in the same boat with my 300mm f/2.8 VRii now that I'm not a high school marching band photographer. However, back when I was, I used that lens a lot!

Further back, in my early film days, I had the FM & FE along with a 300mm f4.5 that I thought was a grand combination. Every now and then, I still get out that lens to take solar disc photos on my DXXX cameras.
 
I thought that the A1 would be my last camera, but....
If Sony brings to the A1mkII:
-The improved ergonomics of the A9III
-the AI processor for AF enhancements
-the much improved rear screen
-the vastly improved implementation of subject detection
-the improved viewfinder behavior (high refresh rate during burst)
-the improved IS
-the state of the art, class leading AF
-raw pre-capture
-Increased resolution (60mp is my favorite mp ciunt for full frame)

Then I guess I will get another camera once more
They do seem to be very capable of emptying our wallets, don't they?
 
Been wondering whether anyone was going to come out with a 300 2.8. It's been noticeably missing in mirrorless format. Best and least used lens I've ever owned was the Nikon 300 2.8 VRii. Awesome lens but just not very useful for the wildlife that I shoot.
Yep. I still have one and it was great on a D500 with a TC1.4 but it is now my least used lens.
The A9iii looks like good news for Sony users and it is good news for the rest of us too. I wonder how long before Nikon and others have access to a global shutter and what that might mean.
 
Same here. I have shot with the A1 for two years and never went above 20 frames per second. I mean for crying out loud if you went out for one hour you would have six or 7000 photos lol😆 if you need 120 frames a second to capture anything there’s something bad wrong and you might as well shoot video
yup
 
HSS can be used with off camera monolights and stuff as well. I shoot portraits and frequently use my location monolights in HSS mode so I can shoot at higher shutter speeds and control the ambient light more. The problem with HSS is that it reduces the effective power of your flash and lengthens the flash duration, so you lose light and motion freezing power when you use them in HSS mode. Since switching to mirrorless I've started used clip-in ND filters over the sensor to control the ambient and keep out of HSS mode, thus giving me more flash power and more motion freezing if that's something I need.

With global shutter and not having to worry about HSS at all it would eliminate all need for ND's and all that, so it's a really exciting development for location portraits like I shoot. Not work $6,000 at this point, but once it trickles down to higher MP and cheaper bodies it will be a great boost to location portrait/elopement shooters
Yes, this is how HSS works in general, but from what I have read the HSS on the new Sony body will only sync to up to 1/500 with external flashes. I could be mistaken, but I've seen it discussed in a few places and that's been the general consensus. Unfortunately the thread on another forum that had the clearest discussion of this seems to have been removed, presumably because the title was considered too inflammatory.

I was able to find a cached version of the page and it turns out to have been no less than Thom Hogan who says that external flashes are limited to 1/500. Beyond that, I can't find anything specific. Sony's official page does reference this but in a way that is not entirely clear to me what it's saying about it.
 
Weren't we all shooting 18-24MP FF DSLR cameras like 1DXII and D5 etc and paying $6500 just a few short years ago?

All of a sudden $6K is "ridiculous"? Canon R3 was $6K at release and is nothing innovative at all.
You're right. But I thought the R3's price was sort of outlandish as well. It's probably just my Nikon bias, although Nikon definitely has a huge pricing advantage right now after the Z8.
 
One of Nikon's sensor patents mid 2021 describes a hybrid Rolling/Global shutter solution, which aimed at maximizing high speed AF performance, as well as dynamic range.



Previously, in January 2021, the company announced their stacked 1" industrial sensor with a global shutter with very high readout and extended HDR-type dynamic range (22+ Stops).

The implications are all the leading imaging companies have been investing R&D in global and/or hybrid shutter solutions for high speed imaging. As posted above, there are however the high costs to fab such sensors for flagship consumer ILCs.


 
I really like the size, weight, opportunity of that 300 2.8. If my brand came out with something like that, I would put it on the short list.
I love my current 300 2.8 and it is my go to when the light is low. This Sony is half the weight.
 
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