Jason
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Count me in! The most surprising is that the MSRP is almost the same as Gen I. WoooHoooo!
Here it is.
Here it is.
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Z6II and Z7II Revealed
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3 minutes into the video and I want to throw bricks at the screen. Nikon is a huge corporation and this guy is supposed to be the general manager of marketing and so far all I have seen is a very unprofessional presentation of a person flicking from one screen view to another and he isn't looking at the camera in the second image. For this speech, he only needs one camera and keep looking straight at it. Anything else is a distraction. This is the sort of presentation I expect from "want to be" youtube presenters. Someone please tell me it gets better and is worth watching...
Jason
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It gets better. After the subtitled Japanese speech. There is a guy explaining the tech stuff.
Or skip the video and scroll down to the product links.
Or skip the video and scroll down to the product links.
Pistnbroke
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We won't know anything till Steve gets one and compares it to the Z7 and D850
Jason
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Based on my experience with the gen I Z7 (positive) and the improvements to the gen II my mind is made up. Well almost, I am not sure if it will be a Z6II or Z7II.
@Jason yep, it did get better. The Japanese speech didn't worry me, after all, I spent 16 years of my life living there. 
I just wish people would listen to the way the Japanese guy says Knee-con and not use the foreign version of Nigh-con. Incidentally, the name comes from the companies original name of Nippon Kōgaku Kōgyō (Japan Optical Industries) and the brand was Nikko (which just happens to be Japanese for sunlight) an acronym from the company name. Nikkon was the name of the first camera they produced. Was some controversy over the use of Nikon with Zeis. And anyone worrying about Nikon going under, it won't be for lack of finances. These days, Nikon is owned by Mitsubishi Industries.
The third guy, Mark Cruz should have done the whole presentation for the English market. He was good.
I just wish people would listen to the way the Japanese guy says Knee-con and not use the foreign version of Nigh-con. Incidentally, the name comes from the companies original name of Nippon Kōgaku Kōgyō (Japan Optical Industries) and the brand was Nikko (which just happens to be Japanese for sunlight) an acronym from the company name. Nikkon was the name of the first camera they produced. Was some controversy over the use of Nikon with Zeis. And anyone worrying about Nikon going under, it won't be for lack of finances. These days, Nikon is owned by Mitsubishi Industries.The third guy, Mark Cruz should have done the whole presentation for the English market. He was good.
Jason
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Nice bit of info@Jason yep, it did get better. The Japanese speech didn't worry me, after all, I spent 16 years of my life living there.
The third guy, Mark Cruz should have done the whole presentation for the English market. He was good.
And I agree, Mark II was better than Mark I.. LoL
At those prices I wonder what the first Gen Z's will drop to.
This is the video to watch.
fcotterill
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@Jason yep, it did get better. The Japanese speech didn't worry me, after all, I spent 16 years of my life living there.
The third guy, Mark Cruz should have done the whole presentation for the English market. He was good.
It has always been pronounced KNee-Con - a contraction of Nikkon - at least in the CommonwealthNice bit of info
And I agree, Mark II was better than Mark I.. LoL
Brochures with spec's here: Nikon UK is one of the better organized, when I last checked Nikon SAfrica, there's nothing new since the D4s!?
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Here are some more links
https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/product/digital-cameras/mirrorless/professional/z-7ii#tech_specs
https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/product/digital-cameras/mirrorless/enthusiast/z-6ii#tech_specs
https://www.nikon.co.uk/en_GB/produ...ery-pack-mb-n11-for-specific-z-series-cameras
https://www.zsystemuser.com/nikon-z-system-news-and/nikon-announces-the-next.html
https://www.slrlounge.com/nikon-z6-ii-z7-ii-announcement/
Z II Brochure, regional websites have yet to upload respective editions - only in Japanese so far: https://chsvll.nikon-image.com/products/mirrorless/common2/pdf/Z7_2_Z6_2.pdf
fcotterill
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Yes, this guy knows his subject. He presents clearly and looks at the camera.
Photography Life also has some useful comparisons etc
photographylife.com
photographylife.com
photographylife.com
Photography Life also has some useful comparisons etc
Nikon Z7 vs Z7 II: Which One Should You Buy?
Today, we've updated our Nikon Z7 versus Nikon Z7 II article with high ISO tests and a dynamic range comparison, as well as our thoughts after real-world use of both of these cameras.
photographylife.com
Nikon Z6 vs Z6 II: What's the Difference?
With Nikon introducing its second-generation Z6 II camera, our readers might be wondering about what has changed between these two cameras. In this article, we will take a closer look at both generations of Z6 and see what has changed.
photographylife.com
Nikon Z Lens Roadmap (Updated October 2024)
Wondering about the Nikon Z lens roadmap? In this article, we detail everything we know about the upcoming lenses for the Z mount.
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One thing that I found missing in the video is focus acquisition speed. Second processor that enables higher frame rates and larger buffer, sure. But is the slow focusing acquisition on fast-moving objects problem actually resolved? The video does not seem to address that question.
A very important fact for sure; you have already, I believe, some practice with a DSLR tele and a mirrorless; my goal is to switch to mirrorless as far as my PF lenses are not slow focusing.
Well, I didn't expect that they answer this type of questions in the video, because admitting that you didn't have a functionality in generation I is one thing, admitting that you ghad it, but got it wrong is a different story
.When looking at the Finish guy in the Nikon presentation video he seemed to have cameras on the table in the background with long F-mount glass on it, presumably with the "old" FTZ adapter.
After we have seen pretty significant improvements in Z series lenses, especially the "S" lenses there could be hope that the new TC's cause less IQ degratation than their older brothers/sisters. So if I imagine having a 70-200 f2.8 S plus a TC20 giving me a 140-400 f5.6 with an IQ similar to what I can get with a 500PF that would be a great start.
Something that impresses me is low light AF down to -6 according to the spec's, but we have to see what that means after realizing that going from -2 ot -3EV for the D750 was just achieved by putting the AF sensors closer together and thus you pay the one additional stop with a smaller AF sensor coverage.
Regarind the two Expeed 6 systems I could imagine that this helps a lot, like you have it with other muli-processor systems. If you give one of them just to lens control and let the second one do the rest , this could speed up things significantly. Let's see ...
Looks interesting, I'll be getting a Z6 and Z7ii for sure. I'm really curious about the AF speeds (eps on adapted lenses) and how the viewfinder acts during CH (extended) high bursts. I never liked the slide show that we got with the current Z6/7 - it's hard to track a flying bird by only looking at the image you just shoot and not what's actually happening in real time. I notice they didn't mention that at all - or what the "standard" CH frame rate was.
The big thing though is AF performance. When I shoot my current Zs next to the Sony (a9ii and a7r4) cameras it's not even close. For Nikon to stay in this game, the Zs need to keep up in the AF dept. I'm hoping the extra processor gets them over the line
Overall though, they seem like a pair of well-rounded cameras. Looking forward to trying them out
The big thing though is AF performance. When I shoot my current Zs next to the Sony (a9ii and a7r4) cameras it's not even close. For Nikon to stay in this game, the Zs need to keep up in the AF dept. I'm hoping the extra processor gets them over the line
Overall though, they seem like a pair of well-rounded cameras. Looking forward to trying them out
I agree. One thing that I think they will be coming up short for wildlife photographers is the eye AF tracking for animals. Seems they are only doing cats and dogs. That is pretty disappointing. If they can't address that with a camera by this time in 2021 I think I will leave Nikon. I want to invest into a 600mm f4 and it anchors me into a brand. If Nikon can't compete with Canon and Sony by this time next year I think it will be time to switch. I would think Nikon will continue to be behind and stay behind at that point.Looks interesting, I'll be getting a Z6 and Z7ii for sure. I'm really curious about the AF speeds (eps on adapted lenses) and how the viewfinder acts during CH (extended) high bursts. I never liked the slide show that we got with the current Z6/7 - it's hard to track a flying bird by only looking at the image you just shoot and not what's actually happening in real time. I notice they didn't mention that at all - or what the "standard" CH frame rate was.
The big thing though is AF performance. When I shoot my current Zs next to the Sony (a9ii and a7r4) cameras it's not even close. For Nikon to stay in this game, the Zs need to keep up in the AF dept. I'm hoping the extra processor gets them over the line
Overall though, they seem like a pair of well-rounded cameras. Looking forward to trying them out
Also if mirrorless is the future than having to live with an adapted 600mm for 10 plus years isn't that appealing. Rumor has it Canon is coming out with their native RF big primes by end of 2021. As an investment that sure seems to make a lot more sense.
Looks interesting, I'll be getting a Z6 and Z7ii for sure. I'm really curious about the AF speeds (eps on adapted lenses) and how the viewfinder acts during CH (extended) high bursts. I never liked the slide show that we got with the current Z6/7 - it's hard to track a flying bird by only looking at the image you just shoot and not what's actually happening in real time. I notice they didn't mention that at all - or what the "standard" CH frame rate was.
The big thing though is AF performance. When I shoot my current Zs next to the Sony (a9ii and a7r4) cameras it's not even close. For Nikon to stay in this game, the Zs need to keep up in the AF dept. I'm hoping the extra processor gets them over the line
Overall though, they seem like a pair of well-rounded cameras. Looking forward to trying them out
I am not sure what my wishes should be. If people like you will have to decide to switch to Sony, because the II series doesn't get it, I will relax and stay with my imaging bricks, because the step to an entire new platform would be too big for me. Otherwise I might get tempted - again - to play Nikon body bingo again ... (oh, no
) Beside AF speed and accuracy and low light capability I must admit that less weight would be a dream, but after even for mirrorless 80% of the weight to carry will sit in the glass, I see this as a minor reason to change. But ...... the hope comes from the fact, that due to the new construction of the Z lenses - esp S line - are lighter AND at the same time provide better resolution and IQ in general, making the quaility difference between zooms and primes smaller. If the constructional advantage also applied to the new TC's, so that the Z TC cost less IQ compared with the F TC's there and the base IQ of the lens itself is better, this would be a chance to reduce the number of lenses by using a small number of zoom lenses combined with TC's ... maybe aparg from haing one big gun for the real long end. Lot's of question marks ...
The good thing is the animal eye AF is software and not hardware dependent. My guess is they just don't have it quite down yet but we'll see it added in the future. Sony can do it, but I still shoot the traditional way - I don't fully trust it since it doesn't always stick like it should. Although...I hear it's better with Canon!
Canon is a temptation for me as well - they are taking 400 2.8, 500 F4, 600 F/4, and the 800 5.6 next year! Plus, based on what I've read, the R5 is the kind of general purpose wildlife camera I've always wanted - high res and high speed. I honestly don't know what I'll use as my primary system a couple years from now. I'll probably keep Nikon around, but they may turn into a secondary system for me, depending on how the new Z cameras perform. Fingers crossed because I like the Z cameras better than the Sony and Canons!
I am not sure what my wishes should be. If people like you will have to decide to switch to Sony, because the II series doesn't get it, I will relax and stay with my imaging bricks, because the step to an entire new platform would be too big for me. Otherwise I might get tempted - again - to play Nikon body bingo again ... (oh, no
... the hope comes from the fact, that due to the new construction of the Z lenses - esp S line - are lighter AND at the same time provide better resolution and IQ in general, making the quaility difference between zooms and primes smaller. If the constructional advantage also applied to the new TC's, so that the Z TC cost less IQ compared with the F TC's there and the base IQ of the lens itself is better, this would be a chance to reduce the number of lenses by using a small number of zoom lenses combined with TC's ... maybe aparg from haing one big gun for the real long end. Lot's of question marks ...
There are a ton of questions - that's what we get for being on the bleeding edge LOL. The S line lenses are incredibly good - I really love using them - the IQ is just staggering compared to the equivalent F glass I've compared them to. Not sure what direction I'll go, but as I said in the post above, I'm rooting for the Z cameras
Should be interesting, can’t wait to see your review once you have one in hand! The cynical side of me says we are not gonna really get what we want until the supposed $7000 Z9 comes out a year from now...Looks interesting, I'll be getting a Z6 and Z7ii for sure. I'm really curious about the AF speeds (eps on adapted lenses) and how the viewfinder acts during CH (extended) high bursts. I never liked the slide show that we got with the current Z6/7 - it's hard to track a flying bird by only looking at the image you just shoot and not what's actually happening in real time. I notice they didn't mention that at all - or what the "standard" CH frame rate was.
The big thing though is AF performance. When I shoot my current Zs next to the Sony (a9ii and a7r4) cameras it's not even close. For Nikon to stay in this game, the Zs need to keep up in the AF dept. I'm hoping the extra processor gets them over the line
Overall though, they seem like a pair of well-rounded cameras. Looking forward to trying them out
thelordofthelight
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Buffer is significantly improved but FPS was a bit shocking:
Z7II - (Up to 10 fps) Continuous L: Approx. 1 to 5 fps Continuous H: Approx. 5.5 fps (14-bit NEF/RAW: Approx. 5 fps) Continuous H (extended): Approx. 10 fps (14-bit NEF/RAW: Approx. 9 fps) * Maximum frame advance rate as measured by in-house tests.
Z6II - (Up to 14 fps) Continuous L: Approx. 1 to 5 fps Continuous H: Approx. 5.5 fps Continuous H (extended): Approx. 14 fps (14-bit NEF/RAW: Approx. 10 fps) * Maximum frame advance rate as measured by in-house tests.
And there's this strange disclaimer that says the camera can only work on single point AF mode at 14FPS and 10 fps respectively on the Z6II/Z7II.
I expected some improvements in continuous high mode..at least 8FPS on the Z7II and 10 on the Z6II but i guess it is the same as the first gen at 5.5FPS..this is strange!
I think it really boils down to 2 things for action shooters:
1. The EVF improvements and how smooth the slideshow effect is
2. The real world AF-C improvements
Keeping my fingers crossed!
Z7II - (Up to 10 fps) Continuous L: Approx. 1 to 5 fps Continuous H: Approx. 5.5 fps (14-bit NEF/RAW: Approx. 5 fps) Continuous H (extended): Approx. 10 fps (14-bit NEF/RAW: Approx. 9 fps) * Maximum frame advance rate as measured by in-house tests.
Z6II - (Up to 14 fps) Continuous L: Approx. 1 to 5 fps Continuous H: Approx. 5.5 fps Continuous H (extended): Approx. 14 fps (14-bit NEF/RAW: Approx. 10 fps) * Maximum frame advance rate as measured by in-house tests.
And there's this strange disclaimer that says the camera can only work on single point AF mode at 14FPS and 10 fps respectively on the Z6II/Z7II.
I expected some improvements in continuous high mode..at least 8FPS on the Z7II and 10 on the Z6II but i guess it is the same as the first gen at 5.5FPS..this is strange!
I think it really boils down to 2 things for action shooters:
1. The EVF improvements and how smooth the slideshow effect is
2. The real world AF-C improvements
Keeping my fingers crossed!
fcotterill
Well-known member
some more information from RicciTalks - Nikon UK
Agree 100% - I wasn't able to locate the info about the CH frame rate last night, but that is strange. If the slide show effect is still happening in CH extended and you can only get a live feed at 5.5 FPS, then this isn't really much of an improvement. I mean, I know there are subjects where CH extended can work in slide show mode, but fast moving side to side action like we get with wildlife really isn't one of them.
Still, no way to know for sure until we get it in-hand and see how things work and handle in the field.
I think what I'm more worried about is that Nikon really needed to catch Sony and Canon here and it seems like maybe they didn't do it - there are a lot of asterisks and notes in that press release. Still, I think the big thing is AF - if it's at Canon / Sony level it goes a long way to making me feel good about the system.
There are 400mm and 600mm primes (in addition to the 100-400 and 200-600 zooms) in the new Lens Roadmap so you may get your wish (the Roadmap on the NikonUSA website is stillest of date). You might have to sell some vital organs to buy one, but Nikon will build one.
Nikon-Nikkor-Z-mirrorless-lens-roadmap.jpg
Strodav
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Count me in. I will be (pre)ordering a Z7 II if the independent reviews prove it to be as good as it looks right now. I am hoping the Z7 II is truly a better camera than my D850 so I don't have to sell my Nikon gear and move to Canon.