The Z TC’s cannot he used with F-mount lenses. Michelle Valberg and others successfully use F-mount converters on adapted lenses and I may go the same way soon.
Z6II vs Z7II…which to buy
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My understanding is that the Z Mount TCs cannot be used with adapted lenses on the FTZ. You can, however, use F Mount TCs with the FTZ and F mount lenses (assuming the F mount lens you have is compatible with the TC). I have used both the 500 mm PF and 300 mm PF and a 1.4x TCIII with an FTZ on a Z7. Works nicely. The 1.7x TCII also works with those lenses on an FTZ, but has a few more compromises.
I have the 70-200 f4, the 70-300 AF-P FX, and the 70-200 f2.8E, purchased over time in that order. With all three, I now find myself turning to the 70-200 f2.8E in low light or if I want the best optical quality and to the 70-300 AF-P FX lens if I want something lighter. The 70-200 f4 is a nice lens and a good compromise. Although I am not using it as much now, I have taken many photos with it over the years that I am fond of, including landscapes, travel and wildlife.
Ado Wolf
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@Neil Laubenthal I too have doubts about investing in more F glass.. unless it’s a Tele prime which will not be produced in Z mounts in the near future.
I had the chance to test the Z6 today with the 200-500, only from the perspective of crop factor.
I was able to deduct the following 2 points:
- using Z6 in crop mode sucks (D7500 way better!)
- VR was way better with D7500 as with Z6+FTZ
so now I know I can only chose between:
Option 1: Stick with D7500 for wildlife and buy mirrorless for everything else (Travel, landscape, Kids, etc), probably Z6 as DX lenses are poor (high F6.3 at long end).
Option 2: painfully wait a year and see what Nikon will offer as future DX gear.
I had the chance to test the Z6 today with the 200-500, only from the perspective of crop factor.
I was able to deduct the following 2 points:
- using Z6 in crop mode sucks (D7500 way better!)
- VR was way better with D7500 as with Z6+FTZ
so now I know I can only chose between:
Option 1: Stick with D7500 for wildlife and buy mirrorless for everything else (Travel, landscape, Kids, etc), probably Z6 as DX lenses are poor (high F6.3 at long end).
Option 2: painfully wait a year and see what Nikon will offer as future DX gear.
LVReaderNV
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I had a D7200 and migrated to Z7. I shot with Z6 and Z7 for a year. My local park is an old quarry, now wetlands and I have walked with a BlackRapids dual strap with two camera bodies. I appreciate the additional resolution of the Z7/Z7II and I really appreciate the much quieter mechanical shutter on mirrorless with wildlife. Electronic shutter is great, where appropriate (e.g. hummingbirds are too rapid and electronic shutter yields motion artifacts). The local camera store provided a trade up event that enabled me to go to a Z7II with my Z7. So I now use a Z7II and Z7. For wildlife I generally use the Z7 with 500mm/f5.6 2x teleconverter for long reach (we have plenty of light in the desert) autofocus can be sluggish - especially for hummingbirds; if that is an issue I remove the teleconverter and crop more. I routinely use the Z7II with the Zmount 70-200 and 2x teleconverter. I find this to be very agile and responsive with birds in flight or transitioning to flight. I have been willing to let ISO go high to get the shutter speed that I need and use Topaz AI DeNoise and Sharpen. I really appreciate the dual processors of the Z7II over the Z7 and would recommend the Z7II over the Z6II.View attachment 13030View attachment 13030
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Thanks FB...I will go and check out the video...but at this point I’m ready to click add to cart...and leaning slightly toward the 7II since there’s not all that much low light and I’m going to spring for the 70-20p/f2.8 as well. It’s heavy for a travel lens...but I will just have to suck it up as it makes not much sense to pair the 7II or 6II with lower quality glass.
Option 2 doesn’t seem like much fun...so I’m thinking at this point the 7II, 24-70, 70-200 and the 1.4 TC...that covers me out to 280mm and my Tamron G2 will be the long lens on either the 7II or my 7500...until I decide 8 simply be to have the 500PF, it comes out on Z mount, or the 200-600 Z mount comes out at a price I’m willing to pay. i will likely get another Z50 for a light weight travel or walking around rig...
Thanks...I’m going with the 7II I believe for the extra pixels...and trying my Tamron G2 before getting the 500PF hoping a z version of it arrives.
Thanks...saw that later on while random googling.
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I have been pleased with the lens combination for ‘reach’. I have been very pleased with the Z7/Z7II for resolution. I haveappCheck compatibility on Tamron G2. I had a Tamron contemporary 150-600 that was manual focus only on the Z6/Z7. I migrated to a Sigma Sport (150-600) that worked well on a monopod. The 500PF is much lighter, but I would hold out for the new Z lens releases.
Speaking of the 70-300F mount...it’s half the weight of the Z 70-200/2.8 and a quarter of the cost...so even with the FTZ is more attractive as a travel lens...but the native Z mount, higher quality, and faster aperture make the latter a better nature lens. Would you say that the overall the F is good enough for most nature use or old you always take the faster and better Z mount 2.8 for that use? It might make sense getting both and have an optimal travel and optimal nature lens...but adding in the Z7II and the TC as 200 is really too short for most wildlife shots we are starting to approach the serious money number. OTOH...the F is only another $600 so incrementally it isn’t that much.
The original G1 version is MF only and no VR...but the G2 is fully compatible. I think I will start using just the Tamron and hold for experience with the combo and potential Z mount superzooms...that way I can kick the cost of that down the road.
I ordered the Z6 with 24-70f4 when it was announced and there were not many Z lens options at the time. I took a river cruise to France shortly after purchasing the Z6 and wanted a longer focal length lens I could carry with the 24-70 and the 70-300 seemed the best fit. When traveling via air I always feel like I have to carry my photo gear with me so space is limited. The only time I used the 70-300 was from the boat. Looking back a wider focal length for inside the cathedrals would have been nice.
When I have the opportunity to work some outdoor football, softball, or track and field the 70-300 works well on my D500 with the 70-200 on my Z6. I have pretty much 70-450 covered. I have used my 200-500 a few times for sports but it is a little more difficult to move around with when carrying two bodies. I don't know that the 70-300 is an ideal wildlife lens but it does cover a nice range with my D500 sitting next to me in the car. The image quality of the 70-200 is better but much heavier and more costly.
Mdf123
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When I asked Nikon they informed me that a Z TC will not work with an F mount lens no matter how it is configured. I regularly use a 1.4 F mount TC attached to the 300PF on a Z 50 without any problems.
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Great image!
Rogereh
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I've used my Z7 with the FTZ+ TC-14EIII and 500pf with good success. I've been thinking about buying the 300pf. I've just received a TC-17E11 to go with it. Now I'm thinking about the 70-200 f/2.8S instead. But then I'd need to also get the Z-TC-14s so that would be 3K purchase vs 2K for the just the 300pf f/4. I swear that collecting camera gear is like throwing money into a hole in the back yard. My "wants" vastly out weigh my actual "needs". 
. It seems like whatever lens I decide to put on my cameras and go out for a hunt I will not have the one that I actually need when I get to shoot. My wife gets sick of me complaining that "I wish I had the XXX lens/camera now".
. It seems like whatever lens I decide to put on my cameras and go out for a hunt I will not have the one that I actually need when I get to shoot. My wife gets sick of me complaining that "I wish I had the XXX lens/camera now".My D850 has a quiet shutter mode as well as electronic shutter. When I had a D810 it also had a quiet mode and electronic front curtain.
Thanks Marty...will have to do some thinking...I’m not a pro but IQ is still necessary... it the cost and weight might outweigh it for my style and image usage.
Ain’t that da truth.... My "wants" vastly out weigh my actual "needs".
I’ve decided to go with the Z7II...and reviewing the threads back fr9m Oct 20 it looks like most of the Z users are using. XQD cards and not CFExpress ones...is that still the prevailing thought? I was thinking 2 64 GB cards...that gives me 1400ish images per card..or perhaps a single 128GB one and I will use an SD in the other slot for overflow. Going to start with the 24-200 Z mount and see how I like it with m6 Tamron 150-600 G2 before ordering the 500PF and 1.4 TC later in the year.
OTOH...I’m starting fresh and it appears that CF Express is the future...so I. Not adverse to future proofing the cards and card reader.
OTOH...I’m starting fresh and it appears that CF Express is the future...so I. Not adverse to future proofing the cards and card reader.
Neil,
First congrats on the new camera!!
RE: XQD vs. CFExpress. I have a D500. If I were buying new cards I would get CFExpress. However I see no reason to throw away my XQD cards. If they break, become non functional or otherwise unusable, I'll replace them with CFE.
Sounds like you're starting from new. If that's the case, I'd invest in the CFExpress.
Looking forward to a review of your new camera and lens setup.
My understanding is that the CFExpress cards have a faster read speed than the XQD cards. The difference does not benefit you while you use the card in the camera but the CFExpress will download the images faster to the computer. I already don't like waiting for my Z6ii images to download from my XQD cards. At some stage when it starts irritating me too much I'll probably switch to CFExpress. Imagine your wait time for Z7ii files that are twice the size of the Z6ii files.
With you just starting out I'd go CFExpress from the get go.
With you just starting out I'd go CFExpress from the get go.
I've just updated my D850 to accept CFe cards. I was not going to bother as I don't really need capacity over 64GB like you. So why have I updated the camera? CFe are now getting cheaper than XQD.
Don't forget if you are writing to both cards in camera, XQD or CFe cards will be restricted to the write speed of the SD card.
abc123brian
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I have and use XQD because that is what was available when I bought my cards. Today, I’d go with CFE because that is the current technology and likely to be for the somewhat distant future. While any other advantage may not be seen, it makes sense to go with the most future proof option with the cards. I haven’t had a need to buy any additional cards, but will be buying CFE for any additional cards in the future.
Thom Hogan reported on his site that CFe cards would not speed up in camera performance for those cameras initially desigend for XQD cards (in my case, D500, D850, Z7 and Z6) that were updated through new firmware to take CFe cards. Indeed, the CFe cards might be a bit slower in camera. He noted, as you do, they would be faster to download images to the computer.
I wonder whether the conclusion that CFe cards will not be faster in camera than XQD cards will be true for cameras that were designed to have CFe cards from the start — e.g., the Z6II, Z7II and D6. I hope you might see faster in camera performance here (at least if the camera is not slowed down by a slower SD card used in backup mode). On the ZIIs, buffers have increased. Maybe this means they are, at least in part, taking advantage of faster cards.
I have a number of XQD cards that I will continue to use for now. I have bought a few CFe cards for my Z6II and yet-to-arrive Z7II and any new cards I buy will be CFe.
I have been watching the CFe cards thinking they would cause a drop in price of XQD cards but I haven't seen that yet. I have an XQD card reader and will have to update the card reader if I add CFe cards. 64GB cards are around $120 and the 128GB cards are around $180. The 128GB cards are a better storage value than 64GB cards.
If you are moving up to larger files sizes and more FPS be sure to calculate the increased need in storage capacity. I also have found that I am more inclined to shoot more video with my Z6 than I did with prior cameras and I didn't really anticipate that.
If you are moving up to larger files sizes and more FPS be sure to calculate the increased need in storage capacity. I also have found that I am more inclined to shoot more video with my Z6 than I did with prior cameras and I didn't really anticipate that.