Z6iii - Bird detection

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Any insights as to whether or not Nikon will add a dedicated bird detection setting for the Z6ii
As the Z8/9 have it, I assume there is a difference between that and the current animal setting
 
Any insights as to whether or not Nikon will add a dedicated bird detection setting for the Z6ii
As the Z8/9 have it, I assume there is a difference between that and the current animal setting
I expect it’s coming at some point. We’ll all have to wait until then.

I used my Z6III to capture birds in flight during my summer vacation (gulls, woodstorks, egrets, grackles). Animal subject detection worked quite well and I was very happy with it.
 
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Strange that the Z50II has bird and not the Z6III. Ahh the Nikon wizards work in mysterious ways.
Reading between the lines based on what I head from Ricci Chera, I think it was done to provide a more complete AF & subject detection capability for DX photographers.

I believe bird subject detection will come to the Z6III and probably to the Zf.
 
Reading between the lines based on what I head from Ricci Chera, I think it was done to provide a more complete AF & subject detection capability for DX photographers.

I believe bird subject detection will come to the Z6III and probably to the Zf.
Probably. The question is why ship the Z6III without it? I mean it's not like Nikon couldn't. It elected no to.
 
Strange that the Z50II has bird and not the Z6III. Ahh the Nikon wizards work in mysterious ways.
I think this is going to create holiday buying confusion myself. We are talking about a significant price difference. Others have disagreed.
We don't know if the unique Z6iii sensor is an issue. Shouldn't be in our heads but who knows. Strange indeed.
 
Ray Hennessy did a great comparison video on YouTube of how the Z6iii compares to the Z8/Z9 for bird photography. Worth checking out. No one could say with any degree of certainty whether bird detection will come to the Z6iii, so I wouldn’t buy it with that expectation in mind. Therefore, I’d check out Ray’s video and see whether it will work for you in its current form.
 
Is bird detection just a subset of animal detection? If so, all adding a bird detection option for the Z6iii would do is turn off other animal detection modes while using bird detection. Considering the processor is the same for the Z50ii, Z6iii, Z8/9 but they have different sensors with different readout speeds maybe bird detection works best as part of animal detection on the Z6iii.
 
Is bird detection just a subset of animal detection? If so, all adding a bird detection option for the Z6iii would do is turn off other animal detection modes while using bird detection. Considering the processor is the same for the Z50ii, Z6iii, Z8/9 but they have different sensors with different readout speeds maybe bird detection works best as part of animal detection on the Z6iii.
My understanding is that Nikon’s Bird subject detection has had additional tuning such that it should recognize many birds more quickly than Animal subject detection does. I don’t think there’s any reason it’s not on the Z6III other than to keep it differentiated from the Z8/Z9 at this time. I don’t know anything that isn’t public but I think Nikon will add it to the Z6III eventually.
 
My understanding is that Nikon’s Bird subject detection has had additional tuning such that it should recognize many birds more quickly than Animal subject detection does. I don’t think there’s any reason it’s not on the Z6III other than to keep it differentiated from the Z8/Z9 at this time. I don’t know anything that isn’t public but I think Nikon will add it to the Z6III eventually.

I think it will hit the Z6iii at some point as well, maybe not because it improves the AF considerably but because it is wanted. I would like to think that the subject recognition will get good enough that we don't have to give it a hint along the way by selecting bird detection. I think the best case would be that the camera could recognize that it was a bird and then proceed down a path of more bird specific algorithms for the best AF possible, but if the camera would be turned to a different subject the AF would recognize that subject as well and follow specific algorithms for that subject. All we would need is subject detection on or off.
 
Is bird detection just a subset of animal detection? If so, all adding a bird detection option for the Z6iii would do is turn off other animal detection modes while using bird detection. Considering the processor is the same for the Z50ii, Z6iii, Z8/9 but they have different sensors with different readout speeds maybe bird detection works best as part of animal detection on the Z6iii.
Yes and for someone like me who switches frequently between birds and mammals (and the occasional reptile), it is much easier to have just one animal setting and leave it there.
 
Ray Hennessy did a great comparison video on YouTube of how the Z6iii compares to the Z8/Z9 for bird photography. Worth checking out. No one could say with any degree of certainty whether bird detection will come to the Z6iii, so I wouldn’t buy it with that expectation in mind. Therefore, I’d check out Ray’s video and see whether it will work for you in its current form.
I watched his video and my takeaways were that the animal detection was somewhat more reliable on the Z9 than bird detection in his examples, and that the Z9 and Z6iii performed quite similarly in animal detection. Not sure how reliable his examples were for comparing them, but I'll take them at face value. If correct, then it sounds like bird detection may need a bit of fine tuning. But his examples are just one data point, so it would be good to see how all of this works out over time.

--Ken
 
I watched his video and my takeaways were that the animal detection was somewhat more reliable on the Z9 than bird detection in his examples, and that the Z9 and Z6iii performed quite similarly in animal detection. Not sure how reliable his examples were for comparing them, but I'll take them at face value. If correct, then it sounds like bird detection may need a bit of fine tuning. But his examples are just one data point, so it would be good to see how all of this works out over time.

--Ken
I have never heard of Ray Hennessy. Do you mean that he said animal detection was more reliable on the Z9 when used to photograph birds than bird detection?

I have shot thousands of bird images with my Z 9's and from about firmware 4.0 (not sure exactly which one) on that bird is significantly better than animal for bird photography although animal does an ok job much of the time.

The Z6III is not bad in animal for birds but definitely not as good as the Z9 in bird. How much of that has to do with the subject detection settings and how much the Z9 I am not techie enough to say.

As @Steve said in Z6III set up video and a few other times never be afraid to use the old bread and butter single point if other AF Area modes have a hiccup. I use that more with the Z6III than I do with Z9.

Update: I looked up Ray Hennessy and on his page he calls it eye tracking which is not a feature on Z9 or Z6III it is subject detection ... it bugs me when you tubers start out that way. His test were using wooden carved birds and the puffin was a flat one dimensional and neither was really close to what a real bird eye is like or even a real bird and that is not what Nikon would use to develop the subject detection feature. So pretty much a worthless test.
 
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I have never heard of Ray Hennessy. Do you mean that he said animal detection was more reliable on the Z9 when used to photograph birds than bird detection?

I have shot thousands of bird images with my Z 9's and from about firmware 4.0 (not sure exactly which one) on that bird is significantly better than animal for bird photography although animal does an ok job much of the time.

The Z6III is not bad in animal for birds but definitely not as good as the Z9 in bird. How much of that has to do with the subject detection settings and how much the Z9 I am not techie enough to say.

As @Steve said in Z6III set up video and a few other times never be afraid to use the old bread and butter single point if other AF Area modes have a hiccup. I use that more with the Z6III than I do with Z9.

Update: I looked up Ray Hennessy and on his page he calls it eye tracking which is not a feature on Z9 or Z6III it is subject detection ... it bugs me when you tubers start out that way.

I'd encourage you to check out Ray's actual work and not get hung up on a slip of the tongue.
 
Ray Hennessy did a great comparison video on YouTube of how the Z6iii compares to the Z8/Z9 for bird photography. Worth checking out. No one could say with any degree of certainty whether bird detection will come to the Z6iii, so I wouldn’t buy it with that expectation in mind. Therefore, I’d check out Ray’s video and see whether it will work for you in its current form.
I looked up Ray Hennessy and on his page he calls it eye tracking which is not a feature on Z9 or Z6III it is subject detection ... it bugs me when you tubers start out that way. His test were using wooden carved birds and the puffin was a flat one dimensional and neither was really close to what a real bird eye is like or even a real bird and that is not what Nikon would use to develop the subject detection feature. So pretty much a worthless test.
 
Sounded like you went to his YouTube page, which wouldn’t give a representative example of his work.
No I did not I looked at this video on his webpage. The video you suggested should be looked at and his statement of impressions from using the cameras before he did the tests with the wooden birds were more accurate than anything the "tests" he did would portray.

I went back and watched it again. He did not say what af area mode he was using but it appeared to vary with distance. Possible auto area af to start. What it appeared to be doing in many cases in animal or bird was just reverting to the AF as it would function if no subject in the specified subject detection is recognized .
 
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Probably. The question is why ship the Z6III without it? I mean it's not like Nikon couldn't. It elected no to.
I suspect the reason was a matter of timing. The firmware for the Z6iii was probably in the field in pre-production cameras 6-9 months before release. At that time, Bird AF was not deployed on the other Z cameras and likely still in testing. With a new camera there are a lot of things going on and Nikon does not want to introduce any change in scope to the early firmware package. Initial firmware often has adjustments to parameters - not functions. It's just too easy to fix one problem and create another problem. Thus, the firmware items fixed in pre-production are bug fixes and tuning, not new capability that would require extensive additional testing. This is why you rarely see anything other than bug fixes for the first 6-9 months after release of a new camera.
 
When I was first trying to decide if I should buy a Z6III I did lots of Googling and found a lot of people doing tests and reviews. There are a ton of them. I remember finding one that goes into a lot of talk about the Z6III and the Z9 where he actually goes out and shoots birds in flight and shows what he saw and explains what he did and how he did it. The Z6III is not as good as the Z9 and Nikon doesn't claim it is. But the guy in this video found that it is not bad considering the price difference.
I am not sure if something has to be done to make a link but that is the address I found - a lot of talk but also a lot of showing the tracking and focus - sometimes hard to see the little box but it does get down to about eye size at times. Good enough for me but I am not a pro and can't afford a Z9.
 
When I was first trying to decide if I should buy a Z6III I did lots of Googling and found a lot of people doing tests and reviews. There are a ton of them. I remember finding one that goes into a lot of talk about the Z6III and the Z9 where he actually goes out and shoots birds in flight and shows what he saw and explains what he did and how he did it. The Z6III is not as good as the Z9 and Nikon doesn't claim it is. But the guy in this video found that it is not bad considering the price difference.
I am not sure if something has to be done to make a link but that is the address I found - a lot of talk but also a lot of showing the tracking and focus - sometimes hard to see the little box but it does get down to about eye size at times. Good enough for me but I am not a pro and can't afford a Z9.
I watch this channel weekly because the reviews are based photographing wildlife. And Alaskan weather can make it challenging. Thanks for posting.
 
Wild Alaska is definitely one of the top reviewers and not influencers for showing the differences of these cameras. I trust what he has to say, he's been very honest and he doesn't get the cameras first day pre-launch which I absolutely do not trust because those people don't want to burn that next opportunity and come off as a video brochure of features with kindness to whomever benefits them the most financially.
 
steve perry mentioned in his e-book he found bird detection better then animal worked .

i tried it today myself and i couldn’t get animal to lock in on the bird yet bird did it immediately

so it may be very subject dependent and distance
 
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