Z8/Z9 with diving birds

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I would imagine it wouldn’t be but you could focus on the perched bird and use pre capture to try and grab it as it takes off but if it goes in Amy direction where the focal length changes even by a little the camera will likely not keep up. If the light is good maybe open up the aperture a bit, or is it close? What I mean is go to a higher number for more depth of field
 
I too would love to have raw pre-capture. But even if pre-capture was available in raw, forgive me if i am wrong , but I don't think the AF would be any different.
It’s difficult to say. At least one might have a couple images in focus. If one is planning on shooting take offs, changing the af response to erratic, may and I say may improve success. I’m frequently frustrated with the Z8’s af system for certain BIF scenarios. It can track and follow large birds and raptors easily in some circumstances, and at other times fail. It can follow a diving pelican or tern, but struggles to keep up with passerines headed towards the camera (that’s difficult for most systems). Other times, I’m pleasantly surprised when it captures a string of a couple in-focus frames when a large bird blasts off. The af system is pretty good, though there is a lot of room for improvement.
 
I would imagine it wouldn’t be but you could focus on the perched bird and use pre capture to try and grab it as it takes off but if it goes in Amy direction where the focal length changes even by a little the camera will likely not keep up. If the light is good maybe open up the aperture a bit, or is it close? What I mean is go to a higher number for more depth of field
Totally agree with you!
 
I find the AF on the z8 to be predictable in terms of being only able to do so much. In other words, if I am on the subject and it is not too far away or small and there is not much clutter around it can do a superb job. However if i don’t have as good a lock on the subject and there are distractions in the area like branches, grass or otherwise then things can go south very fast. But to honest I expect this and it is so superior to the dslr I had in the past. I think for me lots of practice and experimenting with various situations have given me a better awareness of what I can hope to get. That being said I often go out and miss what should be an easy mark because I’m just a little slow. It doesn’t take much. Usually if I can get the little green box on the eye or at least the body I have A pretty good chance of getting something worthwhile. I’m sure those like Steve are way better at this than I. But I like a challenge. Lately I’ve been going out with the 600pf with the 1.4tc to practice BIF etc. my hit rate is poor but as I improve when I go back to the bare 600 it gets easier.
 
View attachment 100150View attachment 100151The reality as I see it is unless you are already shooting as it leaves the perch your reflexes are not going to be fast enough no matter what camera you use. I have photographed kingfishers diving from a wire in Brazil and never could get it as it left the perch. It would have already travelled quite a ways before I got off shots. I did get some nice photos of a bat falcon in Brazil and a prairie falcon in Bosque. I was really far away though so I wouldn’t call them studio quality. The prairie was with the 400f4.5 with a 2x tc and the Bat was with the 100-400 with a 1.4tc. I did get a sequence both times.Nikon z8. The prairie shots are too big
There is a real case for going mirror less and the new glass especially the TCs, awesome outcomes.
 
Mirrorless cameras are way superior for any type of wildlife photography. They speed and no blackouts while shooting bursts. The in camera stabilization, the fact you can actually see the results of exposure compensation just to name a few. The glass is better with better sharpness in the corners and having more control on the the lens itself comes in very handy. This is my opinion and to be fair I got great shots with a d850 amd the 500pf and others as well. I don’t worry about weight as my current gear weighs about the same as my dslr gear. Personally I like a bit of weight to help keep things steady. Just not trying to handhold a 600f4 tc.
 
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