Best long lens for Z system

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I doubt the 200-600 will be constant f5.6, more likely f4.5-6.3 or something like that. It may also be a little slower to focus as it is not an S line lens. Having said that, Nikon really needs it to be at least have the ability of the Sony 200-600 in AF speed, IQ and stabilization. The issue with the 800 PF is that it will be at best an f6.3 lens and thus only 1/2 a stop faster than the 500 f5.6 + 1.4x TCIII at f8. However, the 800 f6.3S is a lens I am very interested in as it should be a good adjunct to the 500 f5.6 PF. The 600 f4 will probably have a built in TC and will therefore have a stratospheric price tag like the Z 400 f2.8S + TC.

The problem is, fast long lenses are heavy, cost big $ and there is no real escaping that fact.
 
When I went back to using a crop body D500 I decided I could accept it only by following the “one compromise“ rule. The DX sensor is a compromise I can live with but I do not add a TC as well to the set up. I bought a used 500F4G which was in excellent condition rather than add a TC. (I added a Kirk foot which is exactly the correct length for my gimbal)
I am not suggesting this as a rule for anyone else but it is worth thinking about the things in any set up which reduce the potential quality of the image. The DX sensor, hand holding in bad light, teleconverters are all things which can reduce the effectiveness of the set up. Which compromises can you live with comfortably?
The weight of the 500 F4G is a compromise too but I live with it. I find I can carry it comfortably for kilometres especially if I wear the ThinkTank Glass Limo bag I store it in on my back. The bag is empty but the lens rests partly on my shoulders but mostly on the bag. That set up is far more comfortable than leaving the bag in the car boot and carrying the lens. In a bizarre way I like the weight, it means I carry either my tripod with gimbal or my monopod and mono gimbal. I know a light PF lens wouldn’t balance as nicely on the gimbal, and I have good results and no need to change.
 
Needs to extend back towards camera to help balance the heavy body/lightweight lens
It’s bad, even fully forward if you let go on the gimbal, it’s standing on its end in a split second. Same thing on a monopod or cotton carrier vest. On my vest I have to put the lug on the camera. It’s the most unbalanced setup I’ve ever experienced.
 
It’s bad, even fully forward if you let go on the gimbal, it’s standing on its end in a split second. Same thing on a monopod or cotton carrier vest. On my vest I have to put the lug on the camera. It’s the most unbalanced setup I’ve ever experienced.
I haven't mounted it to a tripod or anything yet, but noticed all the weight being at the camera. I actually think it works better for handholding like this, which I mostly do. I'll have to figure out out something if I try it on a gimbal.

I'm still considering the Z 100-400mm option and even thought about the 300mm PF to go along with the 500mm PF. I really don't want to buy any more F mount lenses having three already, but I like the size of the 300mm. I feel the 100-400mm is going to be too short for a lot of things and the 200-600mm is the one I want. Hopefully they get it out before the end of the year, before spring would be preferred.
 
I haven't mounted it to a tripod or anything yet, but noticed all the weight being at the camera. I actually think it works better for handholding like this, which I mostly do. I'll have to figure out out something if I try it on a gimbal.

I'm still considering the Z 100-400mm option and even thought about the 300mm PF to go along with the 500mm PF. I really don't want to buy any more F mount lenses having three already, but I like the size of the 300mm. I feel the 100-400mm is going to be too short for a lot of things and the 200-600mm is the one I want. Hopefully they get it out before the end of the year, before spring would be preferred.
It’s great for hand holding but it’s certainly not for anything else I’ve tried. I’ve taken it out a few times with a monopod and it makes me furious lol. It either hits me in the head or goes the other way and is going across behind my back. With the other z bodies it’s perfect. I think the 200-600 will have more heft in the front and hopefully balance it better. I can use it on the Wimberly gimbal as long as I lock it down whenever letting go because if I don’t the camera is standing straight on its end.
 
This works but it slows down changing lenses. You can position the rig at a point (almost) right under a gripped camera, which weighs only 300-200g less than a 1.5kg telephoto


It’s great for hand holding but it’s certainly not for anything else I’ve tried. I’ve taken it out a few times with a monopod and it makes me furious lol. It either hits me in the head or goes the other way and is going across behind my back. With the other z bodies it’s perfect. I think the 200-600 will have more heft in the front and hopefully balance it better. I can use it on the Wimberly gimbal as long as I lock it down whenever letting go because if I don’t the camera is standing straight on its end.
 
I’ve been looking in the used market at the 500 mm F/4 lenses. again this is a fairly substantial lens as far as weight and size but I would have a 5.6 500 mm lens with the teleconverter. They still are fairly expensive even used at this point and are definitely a phenomenal lens. I’m just wondering if I should go this route or just wait on the Nikon to come out with a longer lens?
I'm waiting.

The 500mm f/4 is a wonderful lens, but it's is heavy. I just sold my copy. After using a 500mm PF for more than one year, I decided the f/4's one stop difference in light gathering didn't offset the pain of schlepping it around on a monopod or tripod. Carrying it any other way doesn't fit for me. It's just too heavy and unwieldy.

I'm using a Z9 now so when I use the TC14 with the f/5.6, I can use all the focus points at f/8, which wasn't the case with the D850. The Z9 with the 500mm PF with or without the TC14 is a wonderful combination, at least for me.

I'm waiting to see what the 800mm PF brings to the party. I think it may satisfy a number of my desires.
 
The Sigma 150-600mm lenses can be used with the FTZ on the Z cameras. Having owned the 200-500mm lens I am not going to be buying a 200-600mm lens when it ships. The Sony 200-600mm f/6.3 is only 2/3 stop faster than the 500mm with a TC-14 teleconverter that provides 700mm and a 36% larger image size than with the Sony. I ran into one situation where I needed to use the 500mm PF with the TC-14 and with a monopod and good head it was not a problem at all. I expect that with the 800mm PF lens a monopod will also be very helpful at times.

In the long run my needs are best served with the 500mm PF and a teleconverter and the replacment of the 600mm f/4 lens with the 800mm PF lens when it ships. A travel kit with the 100-400mm, 500mm PF, and the 800mm PF is all I need and the total weight will be around 13 lbs. and great for travel use.
 
I'm quietly hoping the 400 S PF transmogrifies into a f4 (currently it scales at a f4.5 or f4.3). This depends if the silhouette in the current Z roadmap inflates [this thread]; IF it does emerge as f4, one will get a compact light 560 f5.6 with Z-TC14, and 800 f8 in essential situations with Z-TC2. Besides less wieght, Nikon might have decided to use a stop faster speed to differentiate the 400 PF from the 100-400 f4.5/5.6S.

Last year we saw the the 800 PF silhouette change dimensions when Nikon confirmed the f6.3. As B&H list it already, Nikon should announce this PF prime soon (CP+ end of this month ?) - and not an outrageous RRP, hopefully. Considering image quality of all Z S telephotos and with TC-Z's) we can be confident the 800 PF will continue the standard.

Over in F-mount land, the 2 interesting options are the 120-300 f2.8E (3.25kg) and 180-400 f4E TC14 (3.5kg). Although heavier, these are N+ primes-in-One, significantly faster and work seamlessly across the Greater Nikon ecosystem. After waiting and watching Used copies of the 180-400 showing up over the past year, this week I finally committed on a basically new copy at a decent price. Replacing a hardworking 400 f2.8E, it is going to be my core wildlife lens on D5 and Z9: ultimately with the 800 f6.3S PF.... I'm keeping the 500 PF with either 100-400 S or 400 PF for lighter system (hiking etc). Harsh lessons in Africa teach the criticality of having backups in a "redundant" system.

The 300 f4E PF is the other excellent long lens on a Z camera as it works really well with both TC14 III and TC17 II. If Nikon do do the DX Z90, this prime will become all the rage again (although again let's see how the 400 PF turns out).

I currently have the 500 mm PF lens as well as the 70-200 Nikon Z lens. These are the only long lenses I have at the current time. I don’t really know what to expect from Nikon regarding the 200 to 600 mm lens or for that matter the 800 mm prime on the road map. I absolutely love the 500 mm PF lens and it’s really great with the 1.4 teleconverter. The only unfortunate part of that is you’re all the way down to F8 with a teleconverter which is definitely not ideal for low light conditions. This is certainly one area where Sony has the advantage at this point by offering the 200 to 600 mm lens. I cannot support a 600 mm F4 lens and not even sure I could support it on a tripod carrying it for that matter. I’ve been looking in the used market at the 500 mm F/4 lenses. again this is a fairly substantial lens as far as weight and size but I would have a 5.6 500 mm lens with the teleconverter. They still are fairly expensive even used at this point and are definitely a phenomenal lens. I’m just wondering if I should go this route or just wait on the Nikon to come out with a longer lens? I am pretty certain that either the 800 mm prime or 600 mm prime for the Z system is going to be substantially more than a used 500 mm f/4. If I did go this route, I would definitely keep the 500 mm PF for a lightweight handheld lens. This is definitely what made the decision to send the Sony A1 and the 200-600 mm lens back so hard. I’m sure there are others that are having the same dilemma with what to do for a longer lens I would just like to get some thoughts from the members on here of what would possibly be the best route to go.
 
One problem I'm running into with the Z9 and 500mmpf is there's no way possible to balance it on my tripod gimbal. It's so rear heavy that even full forward on my lens plate is nowhere near being balanced. If I let go,it goes lol

The balance issue is easily resolved by bolts on a Arca-Swiss compatible plate like the Wimberley P30 one. With a 4 inch long plate I can extend it an inch forward or backward of the foot for the lens and change the balance of the camera and lens combo. With a plate for each lens foot I can fine tune the length and positioning for each of my lenses. It is also easy to move a plate to another lens and no issues with compatibility as with a foot. All 6 sizes of the Wimberley plate are available on Amazon. I add a second mounting screw to there is no chance of the plate loosening and twisting.
 
Tamron came out with a mirrorless 150-600mm for Sony, but have not seen or heard of anything in the long range from either Sigma or Tamron for the Z's. Any other 3rd party Z lenses with good reach in the pipeline?
 
it's very unclear, but i wouldn't count on it. 3rd party lenses in the Nikon (and Canon?) ecosystem are dependent on the lens manufacturers reverse engineering the lens protocols. while there have been some z lenses produced by 3rd party manufacturers like Viltrox, it seems telling that neither Tamron nor Sigma have produced native Z lenses to date. whether this is due to legal issues, technical issues or market issues is unclear. further, the new nikon 28-75 lens is reported to be a rebranded tamron lens, so i think we may be seeing nikon's 3rd party strategy -- rebranding.
 
I have a similar problem with the Olympus M1X and shorter lenses - the body is so heavy (relatively) that you can't balance it on the lens foot. I've been trying a Wimberley 'Perpendicular Plate' that allows me to use the body as a mount point and slide it forward and back. So far... (doesn't help with a Sidekick).

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So far only have the Z6II, using Z100-400 with Z 1.4TC and the 500 pf with and without 1.4TC III .... all work just fine ... 600 f/4 E in waiting for Z9 if it ever arrives ... always hand held so far and all 3 have Hejnar replacement feet ... in fact I replaced the Kirk I got for the 600 f/4E with a Hejnar and like it much better more length and a shorter stem so easier to balance.
 
fair point. you might be able to get an extension rail or extra long foot
Really Right Stuff has a long lens support "system" with a multipurpose rail and the lens support. Not sure if this would allow you to move the Z9 + 500PF forward enough to balance.

 
It’s great for hand holding but it’s certainly not for anything else I’ve tried. I’ve taken it out a few times with a monopod and it makes me furious lol. It either hits me in the head or goes the other way and is going across behind my back. With the other z bodies it’s perfect. I think the 200-600 will have more heft in the front and hopefully balance it better. I can use it on the Wimberly gimbal as long as I lock it down whenever letting go because if I don’t the camera is standing straight on its end.
I have the Hejnar foot on my 500pf and it does balance the Z9 on the Wimberly WH-200. I have not been able to dial it in though with the TC -14iii added. It’s not really bad but it does creep with the TC.
 
I have the Hejnar foot on my 500pf and it does balance the Z9 on the Wimberly WH-200. I have not been able to dial it in though with the TC -14iii added. It’s not really bad but it does creep with the TC.
I have the Kirk foot on mine. I might just buy a plate to extend it some.
 
I have a similar problem with the Olympus M1X and shorter lenses - the body is so heavy (relatively) that you can't balance it on the lens foot. I've been trying a Wimberley 'Perpendicular Plate' that allows me to use the body as a mount point and slide it forward and back. So far... (doesn't help with a Sidekick).

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Use a Wimberley P-30 plate mounted to the lens and you have more options for balancing the lens and camera. With an even longer plate you have room to mount a flash arm on the plate which makes for a very clean setup.
 
One problem I'm running into with the Z9 and 500mmpf is there's no way possible to balance it on my tripod gimbal. It's so rear heavy that even full forward on my lens plate is nowhere near being balanced. If I let go,it goes lol
Hi!
I have posted several times about balancing my very back-heavy rig (Gripped D850 + RRS L-bracket + 1.4TC + 500pf) on the smaller Flexshooter Pro ballhead. A RRS foot replacement for the 500pf gave me nothing BEHIND the foot. An extra long plate fixed this and a QD attachment allows me to split a Magpull strap and attach it to the RRS l-bracket in either the landscape or portrait orientation and to the lens foot. This is very handy for slinging over the shoulder for a long carry through the bush. When shooting hand-held the Magpul can be quickly attached only to the L-bracket in either orientation. You can also keep the gear on the strap as you fix it on the tripod then one quick press releases the strap ( so you don't inadvertently step back and pull everything over). Image below of my back-heavy rig perfectly balanced on the small head. It will stay pointed up or down when moved without locking anything.
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Hi!
I have posted several times about balancing my very back-heavy rig (Gripped D850 + RRS L-bracket + 1.4TC + 500pf) on the smaller Flexshooter Pro ballhead. A RRS foot replacement for the 500pf gave me nothing BEHIND the foot. An extra long plate fixed this and a QD attachment allows me to split a Magpull strap and attach it to the RRS l-bracket in either the landscape or portrait orientation and to the lens foot. This is very handy for slinging over the shoulder for a long carry through the bush. When shooting hand-held the Magpul can be quickly attached only to the L-bracket in either orientation. You can also keep the gear on the strap as you fix it on the tripod then one quick press releases the strap ( so you don't inadvertently step back and pull everything over). Image below of my back-heavy rig perfectly balanced on the small head. It will stay pointed up or down when moved without locking anything.
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I will certainly try that
 
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