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Apparently, too longFor a mirrorless bird photography kit, one has to wonder how long it will take for Nikon to catch up with Sony’s a9 mk2, a7R IV, 100-400, 400 f2.8, and 200-600, 600 f4?
Luckily, the two cameras are identical from an AF standpoint, so I don't have to wait for the Z7ii. However, I still have to field test the Z6 to check for differences that may change some fo the advice in the book. I was out again today though and my initial impressions stand - the camera works functionally just like the old one, it just performs better. That makes for a very easy updateHi @Steve any initial thoughts on when an update to your eBook: "Secrets To The Nikon Autofocus System - Mirrorless Edition" would be available covering the new Z IIs? I guess we will have to wait for the Z 7II to be released and time to test and then do all the writing etc.
Thanks Steve, look forward to the updatesLuckily, the two cameras are identical from an AF standpoint, so I don't have to wait for the Z7ii. However, I still have to field test the Z6 to check for differences that may change some fo the advice in the book. I was out again today though and my initial impressions stand - the camera works functionally just like the old one, it just performs better. That makes for a very easy update
Hoping to have an update out in a 4-6 weeks.
FWIW, the A7R4 is better than the Z6ii and about the same price as a Z7ii - and AF is better for sure. Not quite a9ii level, but probably around D850 level or better in my experience (although, that experience is a bit limited right now). Nikon is trying, I just worry that the a74 when it's finally announced will significantly outperform the current z cameras. I do think Nikon will catch up eventually, just no idea when...It seems to me that we are not going to see the likes of a D500 or D850 in Nikon's mirrorless lineup anytime soon in regards to their price points. With the Z6/7 II models were already at similar pricing but without the usable high framerates and button configuration options that we have in the DSLR realm. This is rather disappointing for someone like me who wants to get into the mirrorless game. More and more it is looking like we're going to have to spend A9/A9II type money in order to get what we want :(
I wonder if S series glass will fix some of the AF ? All of my experience to date is with F mount lens. I am still not sure which Af option is best for BIF? It seems that the camera would hunt if even if the subject was inside the box on the AF especially with background, I also noticed that some of the AF areas are large and I had a tough time shooting thru holes in branches. I will try it on the 5000 pf once the weather breaks and hopefully get the thing figured out.
My prediction, and I hope I’m wrong, is that Nikon will put out something that rivals or even outperforms the a9II (maybe the rumored Z9) but it’s going to be at a Nikon flagship price... which will make the a9II look like a steal at $4500.It seems to me that we are not going to see the likes of a D500 or D850 in Nikon's mirrorless lineup anytime soon in regards to their price points. With the Z6/7 II models were already at similar pricing but without the usable high framerates and button configuration options that we have in the DSLR realm. This is rather disappointing for someone like me who wants to get into the mirrorless game. More and more it is looking like we're going to have to spend A9/A9II type money in order to get what we want :(
FWIW, the A7R4 is better than the Z6ii and about the same price as a Z7ii - and AF is better for sure. Not quite a9ii level, but probably around D850 level or better in my experience (although, that experience is a bit limited right now). Nikon is trying, I just worry that the a74 when it's finally announced will significantly outperform the current z cameras. I do think Nikon will catch up eventually, just no idea when...
My prediction, and I hope I’m wrong, is that Nikon will put out something that rivals or even outperforms the a9II (maybe the rumored Z9) but it’s going to be at a Nikon flagship price... which will make the a9II look like a steal at $4500.
Getting into mirrorless will meen also migrating to mirrorless lenses. If Nikon announces a expensive ,ala D6 priced mirrorless camera, an alternative is a SONY body with a lens for wildlife. The then current A7Rx will be a top performer, even a used A7R4 in a year will be a solid performer. Nikon seems to continue to operate as a monopoly, slow rolling technology to milk every dime out of their installed base. If this is the case I feel this is a failure on their part to recognize the camera industry has changed. My sense is that SONY's fast paced introduction of technology has changed the camera industry. Canon recognized this shift and adapted. So far Nikon seems to be living in the past.That is sort of my point, we had (still have) the D500 and the D850 for DSLR which are still a fair bit cheaper than the second gen Z6 and Z7 and while the Z cameras are very good cameras, they just aren't suited to action the same way the Nikon DSLRs are. It feels thus far that Nikon is going to ask us to pay out the nose for such a camera (Z9?) and then we'll have to wait for the technology to trickle down to lower tiers. I can't see Nikon releasing a fast action usable high fps mirrorless body at a prosumer price point until well after a flagship gets released. I'm like the father who tells his child and the child being Nikon, child... I'm not mad or angry at you, I'm just disappointed .
Thanks Bruce. That's very helpful. I shoot a lot of wildlife (not as much as you) both on trips (pre-Covid, anyway) and in Minnesota (in the Minnesota Valley National Wildlife Refuge near the Twin Cities and in the Ely area). I like to shoot waterbirds, wading birds, eagles, and osprey from my kayak and warblers (more often on land). Also, although less frequently, mammals -- deer, beavers, otters, muskrats, mink, and the occasional black bear or red fox. This summer, I shot only with my Z7 (with my 500 mm PF, with or without a 1.4x TCIII) and my Z6 (with the 70-300 mm AF-P FX zoom or my 300 mm PF). Also photographed birds in flight, including slower ones like bald eagles and herons, and faster ones like gulls and osprey.
I like the Z7 and Z6 a lot (and agree with Steve's top ten reasons to shoot mirrorless), although I have kept my D500 and D850 for birds in flight and fast action.
Do you think the Z6II is enough improved on autofocus to be worth upgrading a Z6? (Dual card slots and the new grip are not that important to me -- I would have preferred Nikon to add the ability to assign focus areas with a single button press and a more real time view in the EVF for shooting high extended.) I have found that there are times when I wished the Z7 or Z6 would acquire focus faster.
I am also hoping that the Z7II will show a similar improvement on autofocus, although it will be a while more before we know whether that is the case. I use the Z7 more than my Z6, to get more pixels on the duck, as Steve says, even as I try to get close in my kayak and often use a 1.4x TCIII with my 500 mm PF.