JFW
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You only live once. Living in Florida, I would say you would get a lot of good use with that lens.
Nikon Rebates?
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mathjak107
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Just make sure to post some pictures, if it's in your cart you're going to do it!
In Q&A following its presentation of its Q1 2025 results, a Canon representative answered as follows regarding the expected upcoming USA tariff regime:
“Q2. In your presentation there is a statement about assuming additional tariff of 145% on China. Is it correct to assume that although this is factored into your plan, the impact is small?
A2. Since most of the products we produce in China is for the Chinese market and the amount exported from China to the United States is very small, we expect virtually no impact.
Q3. What is the level of product inventory held by your U.S. sales subsidiary? Did you take this factor into account when you calculated the tariff cost increase?
A3. Our U.S. sales subsidiary has about one- or two-months’ worth of inventory. We did not simply calculate tariff costs for the next 9 months of this year. We also took inventory into account, estimated when the tariff costs will rise, and factored this into our plan.
Q4. Please talk about the status of the price increase. If additional tariffs are passed on to product prices, how much of a price increase will we see in the end market?
A4. We have notified major dealers that we will raise prices and are in the process of estimating the timing and amount of the increase. Since tariffs are borne against the cost of goods, the higher the cost ratio is, the higher the price rate increases. We will conduct a detailed analysis, including the cost of each product and where it is produced, and will determine the rate of price increase for each product.”
Note that Canon appears to have lower exposure to USA tariffs on goods made in China than does Nikon.
“A10. …we recognize that companies which produce products in China and export to the U.S. will be at a disadvantage due to the exceptionally high tariff rate.”
“Q2. In your presentation there is a statement about assuming additional tariff of 145% on China. Is it correct to assume that although this is factored into your plan, the impact is small?
A2. Since most of the products we produce in China is for the Chinese market and the amount exported from China to the United States is very small, we expect virtually no impact.
Q3. What is the level of product inventory held by your U.S. sales subsidiary? Did you take this factor into account when you calculated the tariff cost increase?
A3. Our U.S. sales subsidiary has about one- or two-months’ worth of inventory. We did not simply calculate tariff costs for the next 9 months of this year. We also took inventory into account, estimated when the tariff costs will rise, and factored this into our plan.
Q4. Please talk about the status of the price increase. If additional tariffs are passed on to product prices, how much of a price increase will we see in the end market?
A4. We have notified major dealers that we will raise prices and are in the process of estimating the timing and amount of the increase. Since tariffs are borne against the cost of goods, the higher the cost ratio is, the higher the price rate increases. We will conduct a detailed analysis, including the cost of each product and where it is produced, and will determine the rate of price increase for each product.”
Note that Canon appears to have lower exposure to USA tariffs on goods made in China than does Nikon.
“A10. …we recognize that companies which produce products in China and export to the U.S. will be at a disadvantage due to the exceptionally high tariff rate.”
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JFW
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Thanks Aristotle for clearing that up (lol).
It is big and heavy and you have to ask yourself honestly will you carry that much around? My brother has one but often leaves it home due to size and weight. Personally I could not use a lens that heavy (even if I could afford it which I cannot). My advice is remove from cart and forget.
maxxus46
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Ha well said. Totally agree!!This does seem like a bit of an over-analysis/over-reaction.
While I'm of course concerned about where things may head, I am also inherently skeptical about "sky is falling" predictions from our favorite pundits, photographic or otherwise. Things are rarely as bad as they seem (or as good, depending on the times). My sense is fear-inducing headlines are great click-bait, as we've seen on the evening news over the decades. When did we ever see a story about "Good evening, we'd like to report things are pretty good today"? Perhaps bad news and scary predictions keep us reading our favorite news and experts' sites, commenting on their apocalyptic analyses, and clicking on their affiliate links. Guess I'm a bit of a skeptic...
If the sky does indeed fall, feel free to call me out for not heeding the warnings!
If you have a project the lens would enable, go for it. Too shallow depth of field drives me crazy though. I would rather see both the beak and the eyes in focus than more blur in the background. I find myself shooting at f8 to keep the important features in focus.
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maxxus46
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Select the 400 2.8TC, Click Add to your Cart, then click Buy Now
Lol, I’d be tempted by the 400 TC if I had the budget for it but just can’t justify it. However, I’m thinking of just buying a used 400 E or 600 E f mount. Less than half the price so much more palatable. Plus no issues with regard to import pricing. The only risk would be getting a gray market lens but there are third parties who can manage it. It would only be a lens for me locally or driving somewhere. I can’t imagine flying with it (or the Z equivalent) given the increasing restrictions for flying.
MatthewK
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My friend, I was in the same boat when they had the rebates back in March, even went so far as to hit that Buy button, but then got major buyer's remorse and called the store the very next day to cancel the order. A week later, ended up going through with it due to the tariff fun, and am completely enjoying every second with my 600TC as Spring Migration is in full effect. Sorry, I know that doesn't help, but really you're just needing that extra little shove to get you over the finish line
The shallow DOF is a problem though, just means you have to be more careful and aim for broad-side shots!
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I purchased the Plena 135 last Fall when it was on a rebate. I can't remember the rebate amount, though.
Matthew, where'd you see those beautiful yellow warblers? Wyalusing again, or your backyard? Great photos!!
MatthewK
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Hey, thank you Andy! The Yellow Warbs are on territory along a stream just outside of our town; normally we get them out back of my house, but none so far, though my perennial Northern Waterthrush has made his appearance
Wyalusing is next week though, along with 2 days at Necedah Wildlife Refuge to hopefully photograph Golden-winged Warblers!
viper699
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And the z600PF is not on the list
Would you use 600 at f4 and then 840 for most of your shooting if you had it?
Can you part with $14k and be fine? If you're here fretting about it, I assume you can afford it and also really want it...
While I am often using mine at F5.6-f8 at 600mm, I also am sometimes using the 840 at f5.6. Aside from the aperture, there IS the convenience factor of a very sharp prime+TC by way of a 2 second flip of your middle finger. How can this even be compared in practice to anything but a zoom yet none of the zooms have the other benefits of the lens? While they do have their own benefits of course.
For example, I have many times used 600 to gather a subject, then flipped to 840 as it lands or I have solid tracking locked. Or I might be tracking from farther, at 840mm, then as it gets closer, flip to 600. I just find it very versatile.
I think if cost were the same as the other options, many more people would utilize these benefits. When choosing equipment, since the mid 90's, I have always tried to first identify what would make my work or product better or more efficient or at least more enjoyable in some way, then figure out how to warrant it or pay for it.
I am fortunate that most of my stuff had some direct cost benefit as well if it could be more efficient or deliver something that another option could not, and therefor justify a higher $ cost up front.
Then, there are in fact benefits of the other lens options such as very practical aspects like size and weight both for packing but also viable movement through the course of a day. I have a Z9+Z 600 f4 TC on me for hours, walking, crouching, lying down, scrambling a bit and it's not fun after about 2 hrs LOL.
When I instead have an incredibly lighter kit like the Canon R5ii+RF 100-300/2.8, I am amazed at how nimble I feel. In fact at a bike race I had that and then the canon RF 24-15+R1 on my chest.
Usually one in the holster at my sternum and the other in hand. With the Z9+600TC, I'm pretty much just using that in front of me and anytime walking its set into the climbing holster I use while in a backpack is the Canon EF 200-400/4 TC and a body like the Z8 or R5ii.
With $ as no object, one can easily see the use case for having the Z 600/4 TC as well as other options like the 100-400 or maybe the 600/6.3 simple because of the reasons mentioned above.
Agreed. When it is the "right tool for the job", it's amazingly the right tool. Also, I don't have it but there are nice charts showing the DOF at distances and apertures which surprised me how much DOF there is at the longer distances for f4 and 5.6., much more than I expected. It was on this forum somewhere recently.My friend, I was in the same boat when they had the rebates back in March, even went so far as to hit that Buy button, but then got major buyer's remorse and called the store the very next day to cancel the order. A week later, ended up going through with it due to the tariff fun, and am completely enjoying every second with my 600TC as Spring Migration is in full effect. Sorry, I know that doesn't help, but really you're just needing that extra little shove to get you over the finish line
The shallow DOF is a problem though, just means you have to be more careful and aim for broad-side shots!
MatthewK
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I’ve experienced another side-benefit since purchasing the 600TC: no more GAS. I guess it’s true what they say, that the only way out, is through 
I did a few comparison shots between the 600PF/600TC a couple of days ago, and at 6.3 the 600TC delivers more bokays while giving equal DOF (due to its entrance pupil advantage, right @Bill Ferris? 
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Having shot with the 600PF for the last few years and been happy with its background blur at f/6.3, I have no qualms about stopping down, I just have to remember to do it
I did a few comparison shots between the 600PF/600TC a couple of days ago, and at 6.3 the 600TC delivers more bokays while giving equal DOF (due to its entrance pupil advantage, right @Bill Ferris? ).
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Ok guys, you are NOT helping. I asked to talk me out of buying, and instead almost everyone told me to go for it. C'mon!
So, it's all your fault now (at least that's what I told my wife). I just bought it few minutes ago - gonna get it in two days. GAS temporarily cured.
So, it's all your fault now (at least that's what I told my wife). I just bought it few minutes ago - gonna get it in two days. GAS temporarily cured.
mathjak107
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no adult supervision.
ordered the 100-400mm today .
if my wife likes it then i have to order a second one
ordered the 100-400mm today .
if my wife likes it then i have to order a second one
My timing was perfect on the 100-400.
Just a couple weeks ago I found a refurbished unit at Nikon USA that was discounted to $1750 which is close to a grand less than the list price. It must have been the only one because it disappeared after I bought it.
I took delivery roughly a week and a half ago and it is in perfect condition.
Just a couple weeks ago I found a refurbished unit at Nikon USA that was discounted to $1750 which is close to a grand less than the list price. It must have been the only one because it disappeared after I bought it.
I took delivery roughly a week and a half ago and it is in perfect condition.
Even though it's not on sale, I'm Jonesing for the Z 180-600.
I tried out a used one last Saturday, but really couldn't tell if it was sharp or not. (I'm confessing that I'm not sure my technoique was up to the lens.) That store also has a new one for only $250 US more, so that is also an option, but I'm still not sure about the optical quality of the lens. If it's still there on Thursday evening, I may go back to the store with my camera and tripod.
Then again, I think about getting a 400mm prime and that I could use the money spent on the 180-600 towards that lens one day.
I tried out a used one last Saturday, but really couldn't tell if it was sharp or not. (I'm confessing that I'm not sure my technoique was up to the lens.) That store also has a new one for only $250 US more, so that is also an option, but I'm still not sure about the optical quality of the lens. If it's still there on Thursday evening, I may go back to the store with my camera and tripod.
Then again, I think about getting a 400mm prime and that I could use the money spent on the 180-600 towards that lens one day.
DsD
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Is the current price for the Z 400 TC the lowest it has ever been? Think 13K?
bcgnz
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DsD
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Ah, thank you. I was thinking new pricing.