Now that we have the Z6iii released did we learn anything about where Nikon is headed from here with camera releases

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I think you answered Tom's https://bcgforums.com/goto/post?id=409351 expressed opinion very well.

While Tom offers his opinion on the subject candidly, he also does make some points but not all if you look at the larger picture.

Again i agree with both reply's in ways.

To me the picture is larger.

The global market has shrunk over 50% in the past decade, many players have had to reinvent them selves and or adapt in order to grow revenue or even survive.

Sony has been the innovation driver securing a lot of market share, Canon made some good moves, Nikon let mostly everyone do the hard work then copied or followed and caught up very slowly at great personal tolerance of its loyal followers.

Today as far as cameras go Sony and Canons focus tracking is exceptional and Nikon has caught up very closely but still I feel holds position 3 on the podium.

Nikon has done a great job rolling out some great glass given the performance versus size and weight, remember margin is king as volume is down to the previous generation of products. Margin is derived at cutting costs, increasing prices, innovation of unique or niche products that stand out and perform.

The under estimated brand is Fuji who is innovative different above all interestingly engaging, something the big three are watching or following carefully.
Consumers want small affordable intuitive quality and performance.

I hear from members in the club Fuji and even OM 1 brands have been doing some things for a long time that some of the big three are only recently starting to fold out slowly.

Yes Nikon has an impressive range of glass and finally some very acceptable cameras with more needed.

Nikon's new View finder in the Z6 III is mind blowing based on reports making future model roll outs exciting, that said I personally still prefer the quality and accuracy of the optical viewfinder. Hey that's me.

I also prefer to use hands down the Z9 every time even over the Z8, yet i respect the difference between want and need and now only use the Z8 that is more fit for the purpose of what i do.

There are many different users and budget needs out there. If you have used a Z9 you won’t want use any other Z camera, well for some until the Z8 came along.

The ZF and now Z6III is a step in the right direction, the Z7 III is highly anticipated, hopefully it will be a 61 mp Sony A7RV sensor, this will work well with the Z8 Z9II speed demons.

I do feel there is a little bit of a gap or lag for mid-range priced products, but you say that Nikon is working on catching up on that.

I think the Z6III Z7III at 61mp will be a great combo.

The end users are a little different today I feel.

Lots of the traditional or experienced wild life birding shooters are interested in taking photos partly but equally enjoy immensely the physical journey of getting out an about in nature, and having the social experience, a hobby an interaction, i guess it therefore doesn’t matter so much about the gear.

In our club 80% still use very happily a D500 D850 and 150-600 Sigma, or 200-500 Nikon with a mono pod, others have the 100-400 and Canon 5D.......some use happily Fuji, there just out to enjoy them sleeves.

If it’s not fun then it’s not good.

The pros are into their higher end gear they trust to deliver a living and that’s getting to be a tough gig now.

I rent my exotic gear as needed as i don't have the frequency of demand use to warrant purchase.

I do feel we are entering an era of significant change as to how things used to be, there is also a definite generational gap in users, I think that’s the market needing targeting and serious fast engagement.

Only an opinion
I am very conscious of how important observation skills and the approach of the photographer make comparisons between systems a side show which is of more interest to some than others. If I shot a different brand I would work out how to get the best from it. It’s the images that count after all.
Nikon is just the brand I chose in 2003 when a particular camera of a different brand was out of stock. I was planning my first overseas trip with a digital camera. It turned out the Nikon had a very good lens, impressive battery life and excellent image quality for the time. It was uglier than the one I went in to buy. I got over that issue very quickly when I saw the images it produced. I have been more than happy with Nikon ever since. It doesn’t mean anything other than that is my preference. The D500 was my favourite DSLR. The Z9 is my favourite camera in the Nikon mirrorless line up.
 
Sometimes people obsess too much about the tool and not enough about the result. Unless you work at a camera OEM, then it is fine as other peoples tools are your results. As a photographer, I do not necessarily care about which brand I use. I happen to use Nikon for family and legacy reasons, but I wouldn't care if I used Canon, Sony or Fuji. Or something else. As long as I can master those tools enough to get good results from them. And if I don't, well, ever since the days of a D700 it is decidedly not the equipments fault.
 
Realistically, I think Nikon's fortunes are interlinked with the Sony sensors so, the future is favorable.
I recall that Nikon makes the machines that Sony uses to make the sensors ?, i think its all about cost benefits, why should each brand company make a sensor from the cradle to the grave.
With the shutters for DSLRS the industry all pooled their purchases to one company Copal, we often don't know what goes on behind the scene at times, one thing is clear the camera companies are mostly Japanese, making the industry a global monopoly.

Only an opinion
 
The release of the Z6iii has happened and we now have indications of what new tech Nikon has developed.

Obviously that is not going to be Nikon’s last camera upgrade.

I am wondering if we have any better idea of where Nikon might choose to go from here.

Obviously the z9 has been out for a while and that alone predicts a possible Z9ii.

Also is Nikon likely to come out with a higher megapixel Z7iii?

To me the release of the Z6iii is only part of the puzzle of where we might go from here. I am trying to make wise choices. I know Nikon will get my money one way or the other, I just want to spend it wisely.
Sit and wait a little longer !!!!! if you can

Only an opinion
 
Thom Hogan has hinted at another Z7 product but I think the Z8 is the Z7III.

Time will tell.
Interesting observation,
I wonder if the Z7 III will be a specialized landscape camera, hopefully so.
The Z8 i have always seen as a stop gap temporary fill in camera, many people went for it including myself, in fact i swapped out my Z9 for one, because of its smaller size and far less weight and for a lot of people more affordable, it is a great success and a great camera.

The Z8 holds or reserves a position for users to transition from whatever and to whats next, many Z9 owners have added the Z8 to their tool kit, many as i have even swapped out the Z9 for a Z8, some even got two Z8 units.

Creating a Z8 at the right moment was a very clever move by Nikon.

What will be the point of difference between the Z7III Z8 Z9 Z9II................. it will be interesting.

We are in interesting times, better than watching The Bold and the Beautiful LOL.

Only an opinion
 
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I am not sure it is useful to see the camera companies as any different from any other major industry making complex machines. Car companies, ship builders, smart devices (phones, tablets) Aircraft (Boeing, Airbus) Jet engines, Televisions, Computers, Bicycles etc. etc. All of them share/subcontract technology/parts. There are cost and quality benefits to the consumer. More than 90% of the sensors Sony makes are sold to smartphone companies. To make sensor fabrication pay in an industry like digital cameras, they need to be able to sell to the global market. It is important to understand that the world benefits from specialisation and the economies of scale. Nikon sells stuff to other manufacturers as well.
 
I am not sure it is useful to see the camera companies as any different from any other major industry making complex machines. Car companies, ship builders, smart devices (phones, tablets) Aircraft (Boeing, Airbus) Jet engines, Televisions, Computers, Bicycles etc. etc. All of them share/subcontract technology/parts. There are cost and quality benefits to the consumer. More than 90% of the sensors Sony makes are sold to smartphone companies. To make sensor fabrication pay in an industry like digital cameras, they need to be able to sell to the global market. It is important to understand that the world benefits from specialisation and the economies of scale. Nikon sells stuff to other manufacturers as well.
Nothing wrong in what your saying and yes it makes sense re economy of scale, as it was done with mechanical shutters using Copal.
 
I am very conscious of how important observation skills and the approach of the photographer make comparisons between systems a side show which is of more interest to some than others. If I shot a different brand I would work out how to get the best from it. It’s the images that count after all.
Nikon is just the brand I chose in 2003 when a particular camera of a different brand was out of stock. I was planning my first overseas trip with a digital camera. It turned out the Nikon had a very good lens, impressive battery life and excellent image quality for the time. It was uglier than the one I went in to buy. I got over that issue very quickly when I saw the images it produced. I have been more than happy with Nikon ever since. It doesn’t mean anything other than that is my preference. The D500 was my favourite DSLR. The Z9 is my favourite camera in the Nikon mirrorless line up.
Yes there just tools and really in an abstract way still only produce an outcome using the right combination of time light and speed which was how it all started in the first place LOL.

Today it’s been extended with bells and whistles and amazing features.

I agree it’s the outcome that matters, to me a photo should be about something not of something, that's only me of course.
I am Nikon and have been for a while.............I have avoided getting GAS disease, Thankfully.
I sold my Z9 as it was too large and heavy for what i was doing and got too much unwanted attention traveling. I for the interim am using a Z8, as i migrate away from fast sports action I will move to tools of higher resolution, better dynamic range, better ibis, better colour if at all even available, I would prefer it to be Nikon but if the right tools are in another brand then that's ok.

I love my D850 D6, I like the Z9 far better than the Z8 but need a Z8 for now on this transition phase of changing what i do in photography. Renting gear is becoming so easy and is more fun as i can simply try all tools all brands when and how ever i want. I do keep on the shelf the FX range of the wholly trio and a 200-500 300 f2.8 VR II with a D850 and Z8 with a 50mm 1.8s, as mentioned renting or borrowing is a nice experience for now.

Only an opinion
 
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