abc123brian
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It did take 13 posts before the A1 was brought up this time so that might be progress.
Z9…A Need To Vent
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abc123brian
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It is a general forum with multiple threads. This thread was about Nikon, not Sony. Nowhere in the OP was it asked what options do I have from other brands or Sony while expressing his frustration. It’s not necessary to make a post regarding the A1 or Sony in every Nikon thread. Later in there are posts discussing what lenses A1 users are using completely unrelated to the original post. This isn’t the only Nikon specific thread that this occurred in. That’s where the frustration comes in. By the frequency this occurs, you would think there is a chapter in the Sony user manual that says camera performance increases for each thread you hijack.
Subutai
Member
Yeah, I think the context of the OP's message suggest he was growing tired of Nikon and the waiting. Quoting his own proclamation, " but after waiting in line for months my patience has worn very thin. " and " “I have never considered any other brand until today.”
That's where this originated from. He expressed frustration with Nikon and outlined his history with the brand to give context that it wasn't just something to be taken lightly, but that he had years with the brand and obviously had reached the point he was considering jumping ship.
A momentary lapse in patience in his years with Nikon or not, this is where the other brands became a part of the conversation in the eyes of those that read the post. I'm here purely for discussion and don't understand how something such as brand loyalty can ruffle feathers (it's just cameras, after all. We got bigger and more important issues in the world to stress over), but to say this was unwarranted as part of this discussion is inaccurate.
Thank you for clarifying this. I was beggining to wonder if there was some unwritten rule you couldnt mention another brand even if pertinent to the OP 's post.
When I grew frustrated I considered every aspect of my decision (body, lens availabilty, specs, customization, service, research and development, accessories etc) and really appreciated what others shared in their decision making process. I sure hope this can continue. We have enough censorship in our media and social platforms.
Lassep
Member
I ordered at local store and was on the waiting list for months, i got absolutely nothing.
Then i ordered directly at the nikon official webstore and got my camera in a week. Go figure.
I am not an NPS member.
Then i ordered directly at the nikon official webstore and got my camera in a week. Go figure.
I am not an NPS member.
arbitrage
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The two guys I really trust to evaluate Canon gear over on FM are not even touching their R5s anymore after getting R3s. The stuff Rob (RobAmy on FM) is putting out there for small, fast BIF is some of the best I've seen him post from any of his Canon cameras. Despite the loss in resolution they are claiming the R3 is a significant upgrade over the R5 for AF.
I'll have the R3 in a few weeks from now along with the RF 600/4 and both RF TCs. I'll be shooting swallows IF to see how it stacks up. I owned the R5 for 7 months and then had another one for a 3 day test drive to test it on swallows (as the swallows weren't around during my 7months). I will see for myself how it stacks up against the Z9, R5, A1, A9II.
abc123brian
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Sorry, I did miss that line in the OP. I know it wasn’t in other posts where similar things happened and that’s the main issue of frustration. I don’t want to ignore you or anyone here. Some of your posts are funny, some educational, some I agree with, some I don’t, but I do enjoy reading them.
abc123brian
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That is interesting and good to hear. I’ve expected the R3 was going to be the top camera AF wise, but it didn’t seem to be the case with the reports/reviews I was seeing. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on it.
John Navitsky
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i think it's a matter of interpretation if that was actually an invitation by the OP to suggest other brands or just an expression of frustration
Hey, Doug, I would be frustrated if I were you, too. I understand your need to vent. I HATE waiting for stuff. 
I hope the camera is in your hands soon.
I hope the camera is in your hands soon.
mozman98
New member
For what it's worth I disagree and for two reasons. It's doubtful anyone in this forum isn't aware of the options from other brands and can't easily research availability. It usually sends any thread into disarray and takes on the appearance of a guerrilla marketing campaign.
jim0379
Active member
Okay, this just makes my blood boil. I ordered a z9 from a medium-size online authorized reseller in early November 2021. Every month on the date i ordered, I do an online chat with them to check status. They will not tell me my place in the line and will not say how many NPS orders they've fulfilled that came in after I got in line. I noticed that Bestbuy does not take pre-orders. On 20 FEB I clicked on the "notify me" button to learn when they had a Z9 available, with the idea that I'd get mine from them, and cancel the one from the non-informative channel. Feb 20. I have NEVER heard from them since that a z9 was available. I have checked at least twice a day on Bestbuy website since then, but never hit the time right. I guess being a rule follower is frowned upon these days.
abc123brian
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They won’t notify you until they are regularly in stock. You will need to manually check the site periodically to see if it changes. I’ve been trying to watch for the 100-400mm which I recently decided to order but haven’t seen it show up yet.
jim0379
Active member
I get it. Don't totally trust our future robot-overlords. So as I mentioned, I've been checking the BB website often, and just not hit the sweet spot. But it is infuritating to be lost in the fun house and unable to get a straight answer from the system.
I dropped by my brick and mortar store yesterday to find out what was going on with the Z9. I pre-ordered 10/28. He said they were getting them in consistently but just a few at a time, going to NPS customers until last week. He asked my name and said I was 4th in line, should have it in April. I am not NPS, and have only purchased around $8000 from them in 5-6 years. They don't know me so no special favors. I really appreciated the information. I don't understand the stance some businesses take by not giving any information to customers which is what I read in the few forums I visit. Knowing what to expect is better than not knowing anything. It just seems weird.
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I found this linke where one can order in India(the company will then import it).The cost is around 800 $ more than the official listed price
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fcotterill
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Fyi
When Will You Get Your Z9? | Thom Hogan
When can you expect to receive a Z9 you ordered?
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Pam Jensen
Member
May I clarify and correct this. The NPS program allows a member to receive priority shipping from the retailer of their choice - on 1 item. It has absolutely nothing to do with being an Ambassador. You too can apply to be an NPS member and pay the membership fee. Receiving an item does not happen in an instant just because they are an NPS member. The item has to be available.
In my opinion, the demand for the Z9 is extremely unexpected. The fulfillment of the orders for the Z9 has absolutely nothing to do with NPS. Also, honestly, you do sound a little whiny.
RikWriter
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The point that you missed entirely is that the reason Sony has cameras in stock and Nikon doesn't is that Sony makes their own sensors.
John Navitsky
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i suspect that is unlikely to be true. the a1 has been out for some time so sony has had time to meet the initial demand bump. it also appears, if i interpret the supply thread correctly, that z9 sales are substantially higher than the a1. i doubt if the a1 demand was as high as the z9 is now that sony would magically be able meet demand. this is the new normal - for everything. i’ve been waiting nearly a year for some outdoor furniture and a bbq. both made in the us. but they are having production and supply problems. i suspect neither are as complicated to build as a flagship camera.
I heard that Z9 orders at a major west coast retailer were four times the orders for the A1 and R3. The Z9 has exceptionally high demand. I've also heard that orders for the Z9 after initial release and shipments have exceeded the pre-orders. You can expect demand will remain strong.
I know of a few people who have more than one Z9. In every case they have multiple photographers in their studio and they simply placed NPS orders for each photographer. The studio is paying for the cameras but NPS membership is on an individual basis.
I try to avoid discussions about which camera is "better". All current flagships are better and more capable of producing great output than nearly all photographers are capable of capturing. In this day of digital and all of the electronic bells and whistles we are customer groups of one. Many people shoot Sony. They make great cameras that produce beautiful images, but the bodies are so small they are impossible for me to use and I have historically not been impressed with their raw files and menu systems (I understand both are now improving). Canon also does a great job,
However, when I bought my first DSLR (D5000), they were the kit available at Costco and my daughter, then a practicing pro product photographer, shot Nikon so I had an instructor. Now I have invested the cost of a nice new car in my Nikon gear. I love the ergonomics, the range of cameras available and the interoperability of the lenses (FT1 and FTZ adapters). Now, at age 70, and a pure hobby photographer. the costs and learning curve of switching far outweigh any benefits, especially when the kit I have is more capable than I am.
I do not begrudge other people their choices so long as they accept mine. I placed my Z9 order at my local shop this week. Not sure when I will get it. Still waiting for my 100-400 which should arrive soon. I really want to support my local shop to keep them in business as we have last so many shops in the past 20 years. We only have 2 local choices, and that is better than most places.
It is ok to be frustrated and important to voice those frustrations. The brand reps pay attention to the major sites like this one. Let them know how you feel and keep shooting.
However, when I bought my first DSLR (D5000), they were the kit available at Costco and my daughter, then a practicing pro product photographer, shot Nikon so I had an instructor. Now I have invested the cost of a nice new car in my Nikon gear. I love the ergonomics, the range of cameras available and the interoperability of the lenses (FT1 and FTZ adapters). Now, at age 70, and a pure hobby photographer. the costs and learning curve of switching far outweigh any benefits, especially when the kit I have is more capable than I am.
I do not begrudge other people their choices so long as they accept mine. I placed my Z9 order at my local shop this week. Not sure when I will get it. Still waiting for my 100-400 which should arrive soon. I really want to support my local shop to keep them in business as we have last so many shops in the past 20 years. We only have 2 local choices, and that is better than most places.
It is ok to be frustrated and important to voice those frustrations. The brand reps pay attention to the major sites like this one. Let them know how you feel and keep shooting.
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John Navitsky
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Just a couple of clarifications.
While NPS membership allows the member _one_ priority order, the OP is reacting to a report of an NPS member getting a second z9. It sounds like the second order wasn't treated the same as a normal priority order, but they did get this reasonably quickly and before non-NPS orders.
The NPS program does have membership requirements, so not everyone can become an NPS member. The membership requirements are trying to limit membership to working professionals and also require the applicant to have at least two high(ish) end bodies (at application time).
The NPS program doesn't require a fee at this time. There are a couple of "tiers" of membership, including a free tier. So if you qualify, you don't necessarily need to pay a fee, although you may find the benefits of the higher tiers attractive, so you may want to. All tiers including the free tier can place priority orders.
John Navitsky
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while i’m sure this describes some people, i think it’s worth noting these people could simply wait for the z7iii or whatever. they could switch brands. these are the same people who might purchase an a1 just because they want it, not because they objectively need it (and there is nothing wrong with that).
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