And that is a very bold statement. 3%?!
What about a bird 3%..?
Official Nikon Z8 Launch And Discussion Thread
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What about a bird 3%..?
Well, Nikon did sneak in a physical sensor improvement from the original Z7 to the Z7ii sensor. As per Thom
I need to start posting more so I can let you have mine in the marketplace
Rewind08
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I use the Z9 and find my fingers a little short to hit the function buttons when wrapped around the grip.Is the z8 different enough to work for me
JoPoV
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If so they will be with D6 the last flagship Nikon DSLR, they will be the first Hires and first Nikon staked sensor, and the only hires nikon dslr camera.
They will become high value collector cameras earlier than expected !!!
Better if they have not too much number of shoot images.
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Coolbob
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Currently I have a Z9 that I use for personal wildlife photography and a Z7 & Z7II that I use for freelance work (mostly commercial, photojournalism and museum work).
A friend with a Z9 has struggled with the weight of the camera from day one and has offered to sell me his pristine Z9 for what he can get for it in trade.
So my plan was to buy one Z8 and my friends Z9 and sell my Z7 and Z7II (leaving me with two Z9s and a Z8).
After today's announcement I pre-ordered two Z8s with grips and I think I'm going to pass on buying my friends Z9 (I'll sell the Z7 and Z7II leaving me with two Z8s and a Z9).
Convince me I'm wrong and I should buy my friend's Z9 instead of a second Z8.
A friend with a Z9 has struggled with the weight of the camera from day one and has offered to sell me his pristine Z9 for what he can get for it in trade.
So my plan was to buy one Z8 and my friends Z9 and sell my Z7 and Z7II (leaving me with two Z9s and a Z8).
After today's announcement I pre-ordered two Z8s with grips and I think I'm going to pass on buying my friends Z9 (I'll sell the Z7 and Z7II leaving me with two Z8s and a Z9).
Convince me I'm wrong and I should buy my friend's Z9 instead of a second Z8.
Despite the rather niggling comments in this thread, for those of us who are into the Nikon lens eco-system, who want to change from a DSLR to a mirrorless, and who don't want the weight, or can't afford the price, of a Z9, it looks about right, and I think it will sell well.
Cameron T
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Just from what I shoot, and how I shoot, I think the z9 having one big beefy battery is a huge advantage. You could get the grips for the z8s, but then you're basically at the weight/bulk of a z9, and it's actually even larger (per ricci, you can see it in his video). And you'd have to have more (and smaller) batteries.Currently I have a Z9 that I use for personal wildlife photography and a Z7 & Z7II that I use for freelance work (mostly commercial, photojournalism and museum work).
A friend with a Z9 has struggled with the weight of the camera from day one and has offered to sell me his pristine Z9 for what he can get for it in trade.
So my plan was to buy one Z8 and my friends Z9 and sell my Z7 and Z7II (leaving me with two Z9s and a Z8).
After today's announcement I pre-ordered two Z8s with grips and I think I'm going to pass on buying my friends Z9 (I'll sell the Z7 and Z7II leaving me with two Z8s and a Z9).
Convince me I'm wrong and I should buy my friend's Z9 instead of a second Z8.
I also prefer having the button layout of the z9 with 3 function buttons on the front.
Cameron T
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I've found the general forum (here and elsewhere) opinion to be less positive, while I know my local camera store had people on the unofficial wait list for the Z8 before it got revealed today. Last I heard (a week ago), it was at 4 names, with 2 other people getting theirs likely directly from ordering via nikons website. That number has likely more than doubled today.
JoPoV
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I didn't have time to follow Steve livestream (will look at it as soon possible - so tomorrow).
But what I see is it seems Nikon did with Z8 better than he did with D850 :
D850 was a Hires but a little less powerfull D5.
Z8 seems to be as powerfull as Z9 with little less possible customisations (4 less buttons or something like this) and little less battery autonomy (ok, just buy one more battery).
But problem is, with those now evolutive as computers cameras, we don't really know what we buy :
If I buy Z8 thinking having same capacity as Z9, maybe Nikon will create a more powerfull firmware for Z9, and then I could regret not having bought the Z9 ...
So those new cameras makes choice hard to do ...
This is where it would be nice Nikon tells what he will do with those cameras !
But what I see is it seems Nikon did with Z8 better than he did with D850 :
D850 was a Hires but a little less powerfull D5.
Z8 seems to be as powerfull as Z9 with little less possible customisations (4 less buttons or something like this) and little less battery autonomy (ok, just buy one more battery).
But problem is, with those now evolutive as computers cameras, we don't really know what we buy :
If I buy Z8 thinking having same capacity as Z9, maybe Nikon will create a more powerfull firmware for Z9, and then I could regret not having bought the Z9 ...
So those new cameras makes choice hard to do ...
This is where it would be nice Nikon tells what he will do with those cameras !
Coolbob
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Thanks for the input, you make some great points.
Here's my justification for sticking with my 2-Z8+Z9 plan.
Two Z8s (with or without grips) are a huge upgrade from the Z7/Z7II that I use for freelance (which earns income that lets me buy fun wildlife photography toys).
Using one Z8 (with a grip) as my secondary camera to my Z9 when I want to have two lenses handy for wildlife photography is a colossal upgrade over using my current Z7II.
If my friend offers me his Z9 for a crazy price I may buy it AND the pair of Z8s.
Cameron T
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But how often would you shoot the z8s without grips vs with? If mostly with, it makes sense to have a second z9 over a second Z8 to me.
Alistair
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Anyone know the max frame rate shooting HEIF and HGL Raw?
Many many pages before this I did not read, so this may already be known..
I ordered from B-H, this afternoon I received an email that the FTZ-II add-on 'special buy' with camera is 100 off, 149.99. I jumped on that as another can't hurt. It's a couple hoops to jump thru, but within a couple minutes I got it done. May want to get yourself one too..
I ordered from B-H, this afternoon I received an email that the FTZ-II add-on 'special buy' with camera is 100 off, 149.99. I jumped on that as another can't hurt. It's a couple hoops to jump thru, but within a couple minutes I got it done. May want to get yourself one too..
raptor photo
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I'm thrilled! Soon this will be within my price range, and hopefully the BF deals will bring it down more. Then I could get a mini Z9, my ideals camera, for just 500 more than a Z7ii.
One thing to remember: Z8 with grip attached is larger than a Z9, so if size matters.......Currently I have a Z9 that I use for personal wildlife photography and a Z7 & Z7II that I use for freelance work (mostly commercial, photojournalism and museum work).
A friend with a Z9 has struggled with the weight of the camera from day one and has offered to sell me his pristine Z9 for what he can get for it in trade.
So my plan was to buy one Z8 and my friends Z9 and sell my Z7 and Z7II (leaving me with two Z9s and a Z8).
After today's announcement I pre-ordered two Z8s with grips and I think I'm going to pass on buying my friends Z9 (I'll sell the Z7 and Z7II leaving me with two Z8s and a Z9).
Convince me I'm wrong and I should buy my friend's Z9 instead of a second Z8.
joe43
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I just noticed something that may be of interest to those of you interested in buying the Z8. If you get the battery grip, the Nikon MB-N12 Power Battery Pack, note that it holds two batteries. And it has a USB-C port so these two batteries can be charged while they are in the MB-N12. This makes it a battery charger too.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1766344-REG/nikon_27227_mb_n12_power_battery_pack.html
One negative is that with the MB-N12 attached to the Z8, it is larger than the Z9.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1766344-REG/nikon_27227_mb_n12_power_battery_pack.html
One negative is that with the MB-N12 attached to the Z8, it is larger than the Z9.
arbitrage
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Not just larger, also doesn't even fit properly. Worst design I've seen in awhile for a grip designed from scratch specifically for that one camera.
I know Nikon took a lot of slack for not including a grip option with Z6/7...so they are obviously not going to let that happen with Z8. But I really think Z8 should be shot gripless. If you really want a grip, buy the Z9.
I'm sure the Z9 will get an upgrade, but within the capability differences in the two bodies in terms of hardware, buttons, connectors, etc. I'll bet money that Nikon will keep them as close as they can. Why do otherwise, Nikon will still sell enough to keep it a relevant product.
Actually, it makes a great deal of sense if you don't look at it in isolation within just the Nikon product line...it makes a great deal of sense when you take the competitive position in the marketplace into account. I can think of all sorts of equivalents in a wide variety of markets. It should be obvious that Nikon is playing a strategic long-game here that many just don't grasp...for a variety of reasons that I won't enumerate here. I'd say Thom Hogan touched on it in one of his musings today.
Nikon has made a boatload of money on the Z9, probably much more than they expected and the Z8 will do the same. I'd say he was also dead on the money when he mentioned that to upgrade the Z7/Z6 with anything short of new "Nikon Spec'd" sensors would be the wrong path. To upgrade just the CPU to the Expeed 7 would, rightly, be seen as half-assed. To fully exploit the processor will take new sensors and like it or not, we're going to have to wait until those are available...obviously they're not ready and to a great extent, that's not totally in Nikon's control.
Cheers!
abc123brian
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Fujifilm has been fairly successful at doing just that. I don’t think it’s a bad business model.
John Navitsky
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and it keeps downward price pressure on their competitors in TWO segements
Oldnintheway
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I've only read the first and last page, so excuse me if this has been discussed. This price point is nearing my affordability. But If I took the leap, I wouldn't be able to afford new lenses for some time. How do these, Z8/Z9, work with the adapter and F mount lenses? I'm currently using D500 and Tamron G2 150-600 for the most part.
Cameron T
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Z9 works great with the Tamron g2, and a 1.4x tc. I'm waiting to replace it with the 200-600 (or 180-600, or whatever it is) because I want to be on native z mount, but it works just fine.
Oldnintheway
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Thank you Cameron.
This would be a near perfect second camera with my Z9 IF I only shot mammals and birds. Since I still do some runway fashion and event work, the no mechanical shutter is a stopper for me. It seems like every runway has a new lighting plan. Different LED or HID spot lights or who knows what next. Fine tuning shutter speed helps, but there is not always time to adapt at each venue. My Z7ii and Z6 ii eliminate worrying about banding and read out anomalies under artificial lights. Their autofocus is more than good enough for fashion work. They are only OK as wildlife backup cameras but for now I still prefer the security blanket of a mechanical shutter.