Z9 it is....

[Whiskeyman]

I for one am cautiously optimistic about the Z9, but there are still a LOT of unknowns. In particular, I want to see what happens with their tracking modes. The Z6/7ii implementation is no better than 3D AF in the DSLRs and no where close to Sony. My guess is that we'll see it at the same level, but it's tough to say. Sometimes Nikon decides something is "good enough" and that's it.

In any event, I have a feeling my D6 will end up on the sales block in favor of this camera. Although I love my DSLRs, I just keep finding myself reaching for mirrorless (Z or Sony) when I want to go out shooting.

And if it does end up on the sales block, your D6 will likely make someone else a happy shooter! It is still the right camera for someone.

 

[Steve]

And if it does end up on the sales block, your D6 will likely make someone else a happy shooter! It is still the right camera for someone.

For sure! And, quite honestly, it's a lot of fun to use. I think the joy of using the camera itself is often overlooked and if I keep the D6 in the long-run, that'll be the reason. There's just nothing like using that "machine gun" for action work!!

 

[Pam Jensen]

And if it does end up on the sales block, your D6 will likely make someone else a happy shooter! It is still the right camera for someone.

I’ll take it. I could be a very happy shooter.

 

[Whiskeyman]

I was out on a charter with the guide and another couple last week and the conversation ended up with a couple of us agreeing that it isn't necessarily the photo that we're after, but the experience of trying to get it. Afterwards, the photos are just how we share the experience with others. And maybe show off a little, or a lot!

 

[O]

There
There have been number of other users in this forum who have reported the AF issue in FTZ while using non Z lenses .I think Steve would also be covering the issue in his forthcoming Z 6/7 ii review

Agree, I think its best to leave this to Steve.

However I have heard from some of our club members having similar slight issues using the adaptor for FX lenses on a Z body, when they did a little post mortem on the subject they came to the conclusion that there were variations in FX lens samples also surprisingly variations in Z body's, some of the members had issues some didn't, it was to hard to define the exact cause of the sometimes issue.


I personally am old school, Sony glass on Sony Nikon FX glass on FX bodies Z glass on Z bodies, however i must say the adaptor for FX lenses to work on a Z body was smart and commercial idea, a bridge to keep FX users on board......
I enjoy my 2 x D850s on FX glass, one with the D4s D5 battery pack together they equate to 400,000 plus actuations for the almost the cost of a D5 D6 but have much more versatility and better image quality.


Only an opinion

OZ down under

 

[O]

I was out on a charter with the guide and another couple last week and the conversation ended up with a couple of us agreeing that it isn't necessarily the photo that we're after, but the experience of trying to get it. Afterwards, the photos are just how we share the experience with others. And maybe show off a little, or a lot!

That's the best thing I ever heard on this forum, gee if only the rest of the world could read this LOL
Well said and well Put

OZ down Under

 

[Whiskeyman]

That's the best thing I ever heard on this forum, gee if only the rest of the world could read this LOL
Well said and well Put

OZ down Under

Thank you, very much.

 

[O]

We tend to exchange information ideas experiences and I am so for all of that as this is how we can really learn........this site is wealth of knowledge and Steve expertise sorts things out well.

But some of us we get so obsessed with the last bit of this is better than that to the point where you feel some people are trying to buy their way into getting better pictures.....
when it should come form themselves more.

For me nothing has really changed a lot from when I was using my D700, D3X, now D850, I sold my D4s D5 to preserve equity and got D850 x 2, ........if you know what your doing it doesn't really matter what you use, some of my most memorable shots where taken on my travel camera the DF and 28-300 in Tasmania, the light is to die for, the large pixels really work well in low light.

I mean, my girlfriend and I jump into our Hi Ace commuter Bus known as the Hilton on wheels with nothing but a full size double bed, tones of room, and we beach hope for weeks, we also do the mountains and the out back, just cruising, doing bush walks, swimming, sunsets, sunrises, landscapes, nature and wild life when possible.
We come home for a rest LOL and then over the week go through the wonderful images full of memorable moments.

Its the journey, experience and company that is the reward...photographs are a bonus, I can be doing some macro marine shots or take the 16mm fish eye and do some wave shots from in the water while my girlfriend is sunbaking, bogie boarding or surfing whatever, photography is a part of the journey but its not the journey.

To each their own as long as you are happy, this week Thursday Friday Saturday we are going to the high country as the changing of the leaves is starting earlier this season as we have had so much rain, then we will back track it via some amazing waterfalls and if I have time will squeeze in some shots.
Yes there are dedicated shoots, events sports action and wild life and the importance is speed accuracy, but if you know what your doing you still don't need the latest most expensive gear, also if you make even the commercial work a journey life is all the better for it LOL.


only an opinion,

OZ down under.

 

[Rassie]

In burst in Mirrorless you can't see the subject. Lucky man to have 2 850's can't get much better than that. Heavy packs to carry tho.

That statement is partially correct. On my Z6II the EFV refreshes too slowly to keep up in Continuous High Extended burst rate so the viewfinder falls behind when shooting a moving subject. While you see the subject in the frame it's actually the fourth or fifth image prior to the current one you see and in that time the subject, if moving, could have moved out of the frame and the most recent images captured have everything but the subject in it.

That is not true for Continuous High burst mode. In that mode the EVF keeps up with the shutter and you have a live, current view of the subject in the frame all the time. This limits my burst speed to the slower 5.5 frames per second of the Z6 when shooting a moving subject. The Continuous High Extended mode can only practically be used on subjects that don't move around.

 

[Rassie]

AGREE AGREE!! - not comparable! (My humble opinion) what is Soo wrong w/ a DSLR anyways?

Once you're used to the smaller, lighter Z bodies you won't want to go back to DSLR. And the benefits of the EVF cannot be overstated. I can do everything in the EFV that I used to do with a combination of viewfinder and back LCD on the DSLR. This means when I go shooting with the Z camera I can leave my reading glasses at home since with the diopter tuned for my eye, I don't need the glasses while shooting. That is a huge advantage. Furthermore, it's fantastic to immediately see when framing an image whether you're over- or underexposing. You fix that immediately BEFORE starting to shoot. No need to first take an image and then displaying it on the back screen to check for clipped highlights or underexposure.

 

[O]

Once you're used to the smaller, lighter Z bodies you won't want to go back to DSLR. And the benefits of the EVF cannot be overstated. I can do everything in the EFV that I used to do with a combination of viewfinder and back LCD on the DSLR. This means when I go shooting with the Z camera I can leave my reading glasses at home since with the diopter tuned for my eye, I don't need the glasses while shooting. That is a huge advantage. Furthermore, it's fantastic to immediately see when framing an image whether you're over- or underexposing. You fix that immediately BEFORE starting to shoot. No need to first take an image and then displaying it on the back screen to check for clipped highlights or underexposure.

Totally understand where you coming from, and in our club I hear the praises of small and light from many members, they love their Z cameras.

Members who recently bought the original Z6 Z7 and earlier lenses are struggling to sell cameras and lenses to move into the Z6 and 7 II with the 2.8 glass etc , in my mind no sooner do they do that and there will be I am certain a version 3 out.


I am 120kg built like the Rock Dwayne Johnson, I have hands the size of King Kong I cant use my D850 with out a grip, I find it hard to use a phone and type, I can carry my girlfriend over my shoulder for kilometers (when she has partied to hard LOL)


Really I guess I don't like 1st or second and third generational models, I like to lag behind and wait for the 4th generation like the D850, I skipped the D800 D800E D810 as my D3x still did the job brilliantly, and still dose today.

Mates just got there D6 in December and now a Z9 is announced, soon there will be a Canon 84mp version trumping the Z9, my heavens what's next.

The industry is in a state of major revaluation not evolution, we see new models flying out like smartphones do, all chasing that market share offering bells and whistles.

I agree the evf of mirrorless is great, but I will wait for the breeding of the Z9 to filter down into 4th generation Z consumer grade with refinements before investing in new glass and system, by the time this happens there will be likely more and better glass offered again.

I find I get more results and satisfaction by working on my style and technique, and Steve has a bunch of that info available.

I think the Z series will if done properly be the best around eventually as they have the IQ already, the large lens mount, they have the edge in that area



Great listening learning and chatting.

Only and opinion

Oz down under.

 

[dutchbenke]

I am waiting for a DSLR replacement for the D850. I am not interested in a Z! What are your thoughts ?

 

[Pam Jensen]

You and I both.

 

[O]

There are a lot of us waiting for the D850 replacement, more so to just find out what's in there I guess LOL.
I mean what is really wrong with the D850 other than the video side is lagging compared to newer cameras.
The D850 replacement will be the 5th generation of the D800 series and by far the best I hope, A refresh of a brilliant model, I guess it will be duel CF express, I hope they will bump the speed to 12 FPS its easy and they need o compete with Canon, maybe fix up the focus eye tracking that everyone wants and for me I don't know why, I mean are you unhappy with the D5 D6, they might bump the resolution, it may go to 60 mp which would be awesome but wow its dam good at 45mp.
I don't know what will be in there., But it will be expensive as its a Gold Star model.

As to the Z series II...........I hear from my friends and other club members who have both the Z7II and D850, bottom line is there is little difference between the two cameras other than the real time EVF which is after a little use excellent as you see what you going to get right here and then, the corner to corner focusing, but the biggest benefit is the amazing underrated sensor Image stabilization, 1) it breaths new life into the FX lenses, 2) allows much slower shutter speeds to be used hand held. I mean this is coal face feed back form duel owners who in the majority of cases are seriously very very competent photographers.

OK rounded up generally with the exception to the in camera Image stabilization, really there is nothing the Z7 can do that he D850 cant do.
As to image quality it is the Z glass that shines the light of slight difference for the Z series, Nikon has some of the best glass out now that they have ever made, along with the amazing colour accuracy also found the D850, Nikon and the Z larger lens mount, small size and lightness combined its shaping up to be very good compared to the FX alternatives. I am waiting for the 3rd or 4th generation of the Z series, I mean the camera - gear only represents around 20% of the result, The FX glass defiantly hasn't got the clarity unless you go for the likes of the 70-200 FL. Gee its sings on the D850, I find it hard to not use it all the time for everything.

At the moment I am still enjoying what I have ( D850 )and boy you can get FX glass and D series high end cameras so so cheap now ...wow....and they will get even cheaper going forward.

So yes we have to wait and see, as always I am keeping an open mind with one foot on the ground...........the reasons I am staying with Nikon is the image files are the best for my taste, and the service I get personally here in OZ, is just second to none, If I have a problem they send a courier to collect the camera or lens, fix it or service it and ship it back, if its delayed they lend me what I need.......I mean its a marriage made in heaven LOL, truly they are excellent to deal with in every way and really support you.
Mind you Australia is like a small country town by the sea compared to the rest of the world so personal service is very much the norm..
As always only an opinion, great chatting sharing and learning all the time.

OZ down under.

 

[Doug Herr]

I am waiting for a DSLR replacement for the D850. I am not interested in a Z! What are your thoughts ?

I'm no longer interested in a DSLR of any brand. The sensory feedback dimension of WYSIWYG exposure would be too hard to give up. There's also sensor stabilization, not needing to use reading glasses to read the menus, no need for AFMA, and silent shooting while using the viewfinder.

 

[O]

I for one am cautiously optimistic about the Z9, but there are still a LOT of unknowns. In particular, I want to see what happens with their tracking modes. The Z6/7ii implementation is no better than 3D AF in the DSLRs and no where close to Sony. My guess is that we'll see it at the same level, but it's tough to say. Sometimes Nikon decides something is "good enough" and that's it.

In any event, I have a feeling my D6 will end up on the sales block in favor of this camera. Although I love my DSLRs, I just keep finding myself reaching for mirrorless (Z or Sony) when I want to go out shooting.

Missed you mate, you had a close call, nice to see back.
Bought a lot of things on your super sale thanks the other day.

The Z9, ...........politicians over promise and under deliver, its not much different with Nikon.....only an opinion.
Being optimistic I expect the Z9 to be the ducks guts as we say, i prey it is, but if the Z6 and 7 transition is anything to go by, I am not keen to be first in the water, actually with anything really.

I also understand and can relate to what your saying about the Sony and the Z series being your often preferred choice more and more flying out the door LOL.
In Nikons case the Z series is fruit that defiantly needs to ripen. I just cant understand how Sony and Canon can get things right and Nikon cant, Strange.
In the mean while the D850 is a good anchor, I am glad I sold my D4s D5 in time while there was still a lot of equity to be recovered.

Keep well OZ down Under

 

[wild-pics]

forward.

So yes we have to wait and see, as always I am keeping an open mind with one foot on the ground...........the reasons I am staying with Nikon is the image files are the best for my taste, and the service I get personally here in OZ, is just second to none, If I have a problem they send a courier to collect the camera or lens, fix it or service it and ship it back, if its delayed they lend me what I need.......I mean its a marriage made in heaven LOL, truly they are excellent to deal with in every way and really support you.
Mind you Australia is like a small country town by the sea compared to the rest of the world so personal service is very much the norm..
As always only an opinion, great chatting sharing and learning all the time.

OZ down under.

+1 on image files and colour. Given that I have been stuck in Oz with no sign of international travel for the foreseeable future I am still using the D500, D750 and D700 more than the Z7 as weight and size in not an issue. I still prefer the OVF to an EVF, so will get an update to a D850 when its ready.. Regards service such as general sensor/clean I drop it at Nikon service and most often they give the camera back in 2 hrs.

 

[O]

I'm no longer interested in a DSLR of any brand. The sensory feedback dimension of WYSIWYG exposure would be too hard to give up. There's also sensor stabilization, not needing to use reading glasses to read the menus, no need for AFMA, and silent shooting while using the viewfinder.

Can understand, and mirrorless is the future.....Oz Down Under

 

[O]

+1 on image files and colour. Given that I have been stuck in Oz with no sign of international travel for the foreseeable future I am still using the D500, D750 and D700 more than the Z7 as weight and size in not an issue. I still prefer the OVF to an EVF. Regards service such as general sensor/clean I drop it at Nikon service and most often they give the camera back in 2 hrs.

So you still like the D700 and it works for you

 

[ChrisM]

Currently using a D500+500PF, and looking to "upgrade" to a longer length, but at this stage I have serious doubt investing in e.g. a 500E FL, knowing that a Nikon Z9 and 400mm f4 and 600mm f4 are around the corner that will offer a "new level" of imaging performance (going by Nikon's own statement), and knowing that Nikon does not exist on an island, and that them remaining the only one pooring costly R&D into dslr cameras and lenses is highly unlikely in todays competitive and stressed camera market.
Trying to look beyond what I prefer, to what is likely to happen at Nikon, I see the D850 and the D500 as sufficiently future proof to remain in production for the coming years, while Nikon is developing stacked sensor tech and new processor technology to get mirrorless up to and exceeding dslr performance.
In fact, they clearly stated that their new processor and high resolution stacked sensor coming in the Z9, will enable the Z9 to surpass D6 performance.

I can buy the 500E anyhow and use it on the FTZ adapter, which will also keep my D500 happy. But that would mean splitting systems, and that is not ideal.
So I am holding off and will wait at least for the Z600S specs. The Z9 specs are an open book, just look at the Sony A1, and I know all I have to know.

 

[wild-pics]

So you still like the D700 and it works for you

Yes, if the scene or object fills most of the frame. I am a wildlife enthusiast not used to taking photos of people. But I find taking people shots with the D700 so easy, specially coloured skin tones. Nothing comes close in terms of skin colour and accuracy, maybe the D4 and DF as these are all Nikon made sensors.

 

[fcotterill]

January 27th 2021

For Those With Sony Paranoia | Thom Hogan

What does the Sony A1 mean to Nikon?

www.zsystemuser.com

 

[O]

Currently using a D500+500PF, and looking to "upgrade" to a longer length, but at this stage I have serious doubt investing in e.g. a 500E FL, knowing that a Nikon Z9 and 400mm f4 and 600mm f4 are around the corner that will offer a "new level" of imaging performance (going by Nikon's own statement), and knowing that Nikon does not exist on an island, and that them remaining the only one pooring costly R&D into dlsr cameras and lenses is highly unlikely in todays competitive and stressed camera market.
Trying to look beyond what I prefer, to what is likely to happen at Nikon, I see the D850 and the D500 as sufficiently future proof to remain in production for the coming years, while Nikon is developing stacked sensor tech and new processor technology to get mirrorless up to and exceeding dslr performance.
In fact, they clearly stated that their new processor and high resolution stacked sensor coming in the Z9, will enable the Z9 to surpass D6 performance.

I can buy the 500E anyhow and use it on the FTZ adapter, which will also keep my D500 happy. But that would mean splitting systems, and that is not ideal.
So I am holding off and will wait at least for the Z600S specs. The Z9 specs are an open book, just look at the Sony A1, and I know all I have to know.

Its a crazy time, and given the situation going forward as you describe, was one of the reasons for me to pull out the equity quickly of the gear by unloading the 600 F4, D4s D5 and a pile of other stuff, now I am staying lean with the 2 x D850 and power grip, its a slight compromise on speed etc but gee it makes up in IQ and copiability,
I will enjoy what I have for a while, the new gear wont be cheap, and investing in a whole new system is something not palatable at the moment, when what I have dose 98% of what I want, also if at times I need for a special job or application a 600 F4 or D5 D6 I borrow one for a few days or if its longer like a week or so I hire the lens and camera and write the expense off in tax, its so cost effective and I am always up to date.

Its different if I was using this expensive gear all the time.
Shelling out AU $25k just for two items that are used 10% of the time........!!!!
I think there are some very real quantum changes on the horizan...............technology wise. Time to sit back a little.

Oz down under

 

[O]

When elephants make love ants usually get hurt, time to sit back and wait a little and watch. Put the cash under the mattress for a while LOL

 

[fcotterill]

Whence come Nikon's sensors?

We dance around in a circle and suppose
But the secret sits in the sensor and knows

Interesting posts among the speculation by an electrical engineer based at a UK university. He's been called upon as technical ed of articles on that site discussing the guts of camera sensors

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