fcotterill
Well-known member
Makes sound sense. All these features for the Z9 are entirely achievable
What the Z9 Needs to Satisfy | Thom Hogan
What Nikon needs to do with the Z9 to make it a true flagship
www.zsystemuser.com
Z9 it is....
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I am with you. I will wait for the Z9 to see if Nikon can deliver autofocus on par or better than SONY and CANON deliver late this year. Nikon needs to surpass autofocus and tracking that both SONY and Canon deliver today . By the Z9 introduction Nikon will have had close to four years to implement decent AF and AF tracking on a mirrorless action camera. If they cannot get it right then it just isn't going to happen. I am not optimistic, just hopeful.
anthonyrobinson
Member
I’m very optimistic about the Z9 and will likely get one, even though I much prefer the smaller body. I expect new canon to leapfrog the A1 marginally, surely Nikon know what Canon are planning and will not settle for less than parity.
ruley74
Well-known member
I'll be interesting one the specs are leaked and then again once someone get's their hands on one. At this stage I'll sell my D500 & D850, keep my D5 and add the Z9. The only Z lens I'll probably grab in the first couple of months may be the 200-600 as my walk about combo....
O
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Dear Santa, All I wish for in my Z9 to do 14-30 FPS 14 bit 16 bit raw files, 45 to 60 mp, and Nikons image file quality to be preserved, and for my new D850Z7III a medium format sensor would be nice, its ok Santa I know how to focus and track a BIF so you can skip the tracking if you like LOL
PS I don’t do video ……………YET
Halleluiah, finally there is someone out there that thinks like I do PEWWW and it happens to be one of my mentors Thom LOL, Luv ya Steve you’re still the best.
“The tendency has been towards "all automatic" autofocus systems (because that's what the non-pro—and even some pros—want so they don't have to learn anything complex” Thom
The Z9 I pray it’s the duck s guts, but Nikon has been like a hot date so many times with an anticlimax for the evening each time, is it they have used standard media tactics to again over hype this Z9 is coming because they want to stop the leak of pros to Sony or especially Now Canon ?
I mean really Nikon have a history of overpromising and underdelivering which is either a combination of arrogance ignorance or incapability…….
Ask you self this question, why is it that Nikon is so far behind and has failed to be on the game at least on par even, other than in image file quality which was always there in the first place, or is it a go slowly take some collateral damage but then king hit Sony and Canon from behind, I pray it is as I am Nikon through and through.
I mean Nikon has the ability technically to deliver but in my mind not the deep pockets to play this table, or just not yet, so why lag and be the third wheel on date night with Sony and Canon.
Nikon wants to now stay largely in the Pro market and high end consumer market and understandably so, but not every one can fit on this shrinking rock……
Margin is sanity volume is insanity, Volume low margin suites the players like Samsung Panasonic etc with robotic production lines tweaked and profitable.
Sigma plans to expand seriously its vertical integration strategies. Tamron may have missed the boat here.
Unlike FX DX SLRS to survive or be a front runner in the digital world you need brilliant software, deep pockets, great technical expertise, global brand name, and the ability to reinvent features in products every 3 to 6 months 12 months.
Is that something Nikon has, or can obtain ? or even wants, restructuring and targeting quality niche market is the way Nikon is heading.
For now I am staying and waiting with the D850 enjoying what I have and do but keep aware of what’s coming in the next 12 to 24 months, I mean digital has high levels of obsolescence and depreciation unlike we have had in the past.
I am excited for the future and the wild card dream, I hope Nikon drops this dam medium format sensor into the D850 or equivalent even the Z9 would be fantastic for the super super high ISO.
Who Knows
Only and opinion OZ down Under
PS I don’t do video ……………YET
Halleluiah, finally there is someone out there that thinks like I do PEWWW and it happens to be one of my mentors Thom LOL, Luv ya Steve you’re still the best.
“The tendency has been towards "all automatic" autofocus systems (because that's what the non-pro—and even some pros—want so they don't have to learn anything complex” Thom
The Z9 I pray it’s the duck s guts, but Nikon has been like a hot date so many times with an anticlimax for the evening each time, is it they have used standard media tactics to again over hype this Z9 is coming because they want to stop the leak of pros to Sony or especially Now Canon ?
I mean really Nikon have a history of overpromising and underdelivering which is either a combination of arrogance ignorance or incapability…….
Ask you self this question, why is it that Nikon is so far behind and has failed to be on the game at least on par even, other than in image file quality which was always there in the first place, or is it a go slowly take some collateral damage but then king hit Sony and Canon from behind, I pray it is as I am Nikon through and through.
I mean Nikon has the ability technically to deliver but in my mind not the deep pockets to play this table, or just not yet, so why lag and be the third wheel on date night with Sony and Canon.
Nikon wants to now stay largely in the Pro market and high end consumer market and understandably so, but not every one can fit on this shrinking rock……
Margin is sanity volume is insanity, Volume low margin suites the players like Samsung Panasonic etc with robotic production lines tweaked and profitable.
Sigma plans to expand seriously its vertical integration strategies. Tamron may have missed the boat here.
Unlike FX DX SLRS to survive or be a front runner in the digital world you need brilliant software, deep pockets, great technical expertise, global brand name, and the ability to reinvent features in products every 3 to 6 months 12 months.
Is that something Nikon has, or can obtain ? or even wants, restructuring and targeting quality niche market is the way Nikon is heading.
For now I am staying and waiting with the D850 enjoying what I have and do but keep aware of what’s coming in the next 12 to 24 months, I mean digital has high levels of obsolescence and depreciation unlike we have had in the past.
I am excited for the future and the wild card dream, I hope Nikon drops this dam medium format sensor into the D850 or equivalent even the Z9 would be fantastic for the super super high ISO.
Who Knows
Only and opinion OZ down Under
O
Well-known member
I love Nikon and have always stood by them so I hope they eventually come good, they have great glass in the stable and brilliant image files amazing accuracy in colour, I wish they would just get the gig right sooner than later, please Nikon deliver a MF or sensor larger than 35mm you have the lens mount size.
OZ down under.
OZ down under.
fcotterill
Well-known member
I suspect Thom knows more then he will admit explicitly. In previous essays (January), he emphasized he protects his sources. The latest speculation might not be far off the real specifications
The leaks should start fairly soon, if the Z9 is to be profiled before Tokyo 2020 (aka 2021)
But purely my speculations
The leaks should start fairly soon, if the Z9 is to be profiled before Tokyo 2020 (aka 2021)
But purely my speculations
O
Well-known member
It would be brilliant if it could do 45mp at 20 fps, that's great, now $6000 to $7000 US $ for just extra speed is a lot to pay if you may not need it all the time.
The effort to sort through images is major, how long will your camera last if everything you shoot is at 20 fps. However its nice to know its there if you need it.
I hope its not going to be Z9 followed by Z9II No III No IV No 5. at those prices LOL
My eye is watching two cameras Canon and for non sports action wild life the Fuji 100mp MF.
Oz down under
The effort to sort through images is major, how long will your camera last if everything you shoot is at 20 fps. However its nice to know its there if you need it.
I hope its not going to be Z9 followed by Z9II No III No IV No 5. at those prices LOL
My eye is watching two cameras Canon and for non sports action wild life the Fuji 100mp MF.
Oz down under
O
Well-known member
If Nikon lives up to to its Z9 claims possibly with 45 mp at 20- 30 fps, wow that's going to flood the market with a lot of redundant expensive gear.........
This specification dose a lot of damage, i feel they may go to 20-30 frames update the video but MP ahh maybe 25 or 30mp.
Cant wait to see what it is.
This specification dose a lot of damage, i feel they may go to 20-30 frames update the video but MP ahh maybe 25 or 30mp.
Cant wait to see what it is.
fcotterill
Well-known member
Interview with Nikon China on 17th May
This sounds promising, indeed
Excerpts about Z9 with machine translate:
Media: For the mirrorless camera system, many customers are waiting for Nikon's super telephoto lens. When does Nikon plan to launch a Z-mount super telephoto lens?
Matsubara: We understand that many users are looking forward to Nikon's (Z mount) super telephoto lens, so we are currently developing it. At the same time as the official release of the "Z 9" next this year, we hope to introduce the first ultra-telephoto lens of the Z series to you at the same time , and we are preparing for this. With "Z 9" as the prelude, we have prepared a new lens that can maximize the performance of the Z series. Please look forward to it.
Media: Can you talk about Nikon China's performance in 2020 and the first quarter of this year?
Matsubara: During the period affected by the new crown epidemic-especially from January to March 2020, the market environment was in a continuous and more severe state. At that time, Nikon China's performance once declined, but then as the epidemic situation progressed Improved, performance is also continuing to recover smoothly. After August 2020, the three main mirrorless models of Nikon Z 5, Z 7Ⅱ, and Z 6Ⅱ have been launched one after another, greatly expanding the product line of Nikon mirrorless products, and the performance of full-frame cameras is therefore higher Improved.
In terms of lenses, Nikon’s Z-mount "big three-dimensional" lens has also been assembled, and we have also launched the "Nikkor Z 50mm f/1.2 S" lens that can realize new performance possibilities, greatly expanding the product line. And this year, we plan to launch the flagship mirrorless camera Z 9 and Z series super telescopic lenses that users expect, and we also hope to further enhance our performance.
Media: Nikon has many classic products in the history. In terms of the character of the camera, is there any camera that is most similar to the Z 9?
Matsubara : This camera (Z 9) will become a brand-new camera that can provide an imaging experience that surpasses all the SLR or mirrorless cameras that Nikon has launched so far.
Media: We all know that the significance of a flagship phone is not just as a product for sale, but also as a symbol of the strength of the camera system. At this point, what do you think are the three most important features of the Nikon Z 9?
Matsubara: Please look forward to the official release of the specific product features, but what can be revealed today is that in order to present the next-generation image performance, the new image processor on this camera will greatly enhance the autofocus performance . In addition, this camera's newly adopted stacked CMOS sensor and support for 8K video recording (also its characteristics). In addition, we are also preparing to bring more surprises to users and provide a brand new video shooting experience.
This sounds promising, indeed
2021年P&E尼康中国董事长松原徹访谈纪实_器材_色影无忌
info.xitek.com
Excerpts about Z9 with machine translate:
Media: For the mirrorless camera system, many customers are waiting for Nikon's super telephoto lens. When does Nikon plan to launch a Z-mount super telephoto lens?
Matsubara: We understand that many users are looking forward to Nikon's (Z mount) super telephoto lens, so we are currently developing it. At the same time as the official release of the "Z 9" next this year, we hope to introduce the first ultra-telephoto lens of the Z series to you at the same time , and we are preparing for this. With "Z 9" as the prelude, we have prepared a new lens that can maximize the performance of the Z series. Please look forward to it.
Media: Can you talk about Nikon China's performance in 2020 and the first quarter of this year?
Matsubara: During the period affected by the new crown epidemic-especially from January to March 2020, the market environment was in a continuous and more severe state. At that time, Nikon China's performance once declined, but then as the epidemic situation progressed Improved, performance is also continuing to recover smoothly. After August 2020, the three main mirrorless models of Nikon Z 5, Z 7Ⅱ, and Z 6Ⅱ have been launched one after another, greatly expanding the product line of Nikon mirrorless products, and the performance of full-frame cameras is therefore higher Improved.
In terms of lenses, Nikon’s Z-mount "big three-dimensional" lens has also been assembled, and we have also launched the "Nikkor Z 50mm f/1.2 S" lens that can realize new performance possibilities, greatly expanding the product line. And this year, we plan to launch the flagship mirrorless camera Z 9 and Z series super telescopic lenses that users expect, and we also hope to further enhance our performance.
Media: Nikon has many classic products in the history. In terms of the character of the camera, is there any camera that is most similar to the Z 9?
Matsubara : This camera (Z 9) will become a brand-new camera that can provide an imaging experience that surpasses all the SLR or mirrorless cameras that Nikon has launched so far.
Media: We all know that the significance of a flagship phone is not just as a product for sale, but also as a symbol of the strength of the camera system. At this point, what do you think are the three most important features of the Nikon Z 9?
Matsubara: Please look forward to the official release of the specific product features, but what can be revealed today is that in order to present the next-generation image performance, the new image processor on this camera will greatly enhance the autofocus performance . In addition, this camera's newly adopted stacked CMOS sensor and support for 8K video recording (also its characteristics). In addition, we are also preparing to bring more surprises to users and provide a brand new video shooting experience.
ccirelli
Well-known member
Bold statement! I'm excited to see what this flagship model brings to the table. I'm not planning on buying a Z9, or any of the 5-figure lenses, but I'm really looking forward to the 200-600 Z.
BruceJ
Member
Can you imagine what the price will be?
cohenfive
Active member
It will be a $6500 camera that will sell in small quantities like the other pro bodies.
I'm guessing they'll have to cap the price to something similar to the D6 as I think it will be hard for them to introduce a mirrorless flagship camera that is dramatically more expensive than their fairly recent DSLR flagship camera. That and the D6 price is pretty close to the Sony A1 price so it will be hard for Nikon to make a dent in the high end mirrorless market if they come in at a substantially higher price point.
Just guessing and I could be very wrong about that but from a marketing standpoint I think the high end price is more or less set for the near future by Nikon's own flagship DSLR and Sony's flagship MILC.
ccirelli
Well-known member
The 200-600? If it's a non-S lens (which so far it is), and based on the price of the 200-500 F... my guess is it'll be somewhere in the neighborhood of $1600-$1800.
cohenfive
Active member
200-600 will be targeted at the excellent sony lens...which costs $2k. The target is not likely the nikon 200-500, the new lens will have to perform a lot better, and will be more costly as a result.
fcotterill
Well-known member
further
Flagship Bodies? 30 Lenses by End of Year? | Thom Hogan
What are the next Z products and when?
www.zsystemuser.com
ccirelli
Well-known member
I think you're probably closer to the mark than I am, good points. Whatever price tag, it's an instant pre-order from me
BruceJ
Member
I am talking about the 200-600mm Z lens. I imagine it will go from $6,700 to $11,000 judging by the equivalents in the G lenses.
Fair enough. I suspect as others have said it will be priced to be competitive with Sony's offering especially if it is delivered as an internal focus lens (in which case I'll buy one).
ccirelli
Well-known member
I'm confused - the equivalent Sony 200-600 is right around $2000. Sony's 600 f/4 prime is around $13k, which I expect Nikon's 600 f/4 to be as well.
I guess, like you, I assumed Nikon's 200-600mm would be positioned against Sony's 200-600mm f/5.6-f/6.3 lens but I suppose Nikon could release something similar to their 180-400mm f/4 F mount lens for the Z series in which case it would be a much bigger and more expensive lens.
I'd still bet on a 200-600mm in the f/5.6 to f/6.3 range and at a price point near $2K but I guess we don't really know what sort of 200-600mm lens Nikon is developing.
O
Well-known member
Reality of Change
The percentage of focus by camera manufactures on the video component upgrades is increasing more so than features for still photography, and in there is the future.
In the future A sport photographer covering a major game needs to be able to shoot and send immediately in video as well as stills or they will be left behind against the networks, The networks videoing such a game will be sending to viewers in real time short video clips instead of stills, 5g is is the key to it all, even more so with 5G II and III etc.
The phone industry and internet media groups changing face of advertising are all on this path, Apple is making their own super fast processor for the same reasons as well as profitability and innovation.
Canon CEO said "we need to capture and send immediately, we need to provide quality video and connectivity for the user, this is the future"
Meanwhile Panasonic takes perfectly good stills from video.........
I am not being a doom and glom sayer, just being aware of change and what it may bring to the table.
Remember its not the large rich and powerful that always survive, its the adaptable.
One thing for certain is change.
Only an opinion.....
Oz down Under
thelordofthelight
Well-known member
I thought their lens roadmap says the 200-600 is not an S line product so i m not sure if it could be a pro glass like the 200-400/ 180-400.
FB101
Well-known member
With the z9 first deliveries end of year, which means Q1 2022 for most of us, non NPS members, and a potential Z8 announced in Q1 2022 so possibly available during the summer 2022, I wonder how many more wildlife photographers will have switched by then?
Not forgetting either that those bodies are expected at $6500 and $5000 (or more) respectively - which means there isn’t a top spec, somewhat approachable (less than $3500) wildlife mirrorless camera in Nikon’s strategy anytime soon unless they can transform the Z7ii AF via software.
the Sony A9ii and the Canon R5 both fill that spot for those companies - the only glimmer of hope is that rumoured high end APSC Z90 which could be the new D500 but it‘s still a vague rumour and I don’t know that APSC will win that segment in 2021/22 like it did in 2017.
so it looks like we need to be ready to wait at least 2+ years with the hope that our F lenses will in the end perform faster on a new body... or cut the ties now.
Not forgetting either that those bodies are expected at $6500 and $5000 (or more) respectively - which means there isn’t a top spec, somewhat approachable (less than $3500) wildlife mirrorless camera in Nikon’s strategy anytime soon unless they can transform the Z7ii AF via software.
the Sony A9ii and the Canon R5 both fill that spot for those companies - the only glimmer of hope is that rumoured high end APSC Z90 which could be the new D500 but it‘s still a vague rumour and I don’t know that APSC will win that segment in 2021/22 like it did in 2017.
so it looks like we need to be ready to wait at least 2+ years with the hope that our F lenses will in the end perform faster on a new body... or cut the ties now.