Canon R1 : Development Announcement

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I'm not saying that Adorama didn't post specs (though i got a 404 error when trying to reach it) I'm just questioning where they got the specs from. There's no reason for Canon to even share that info yet. Just seems odd but if Canon did, that was dumb of them if they didn't want the info out yet
 

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Someone over on Fred Miranda, "JaimitoFrog" is saying Adorama accidentally leaked the specs (page is now taken down). Not sure if there's any truth to that as we can't see the page, but looks like it could be accurate based on rumors. He typed up the summary bullet points from the page, so any typos/errors are on him, not Adorama.
Yup , that spec sheet looks reasonable.

One thing I was expecting from R1 is the GLOBAL SHUTTER though, if Canon can pull out a rabbit, I am all in.

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I think it’s what they can produce now, in time for the Olympics. Clearly they’re touting new AF tech meant for sports: improved subject tracking accuracy in the context of sporting events and their new Action Priority function.
It's just kind of a head scratcher to me that they put out the R3 at 24MP and the R1 at 30MP, both stacked sensors, and frankly there's not a heck of a lot of difference between the two with respect to other features.

This pretty much confirms the R3 was actually the R1 Mark I, in my opinion. I don't see how they'd plan for this to happen purposefully. Or perhaps they just didn't hit their goals with the R1 and were planning for it to be a do-it-all higher MP camera but had to abandon that when they had the sensor troubles.

If you're a sports shooter you're loving the options from Canon right now, I guess!
 
Guys, Canon's press release states it is a FF sensor. Obviously the APS-C part is the typo.

I don't know how Adorama got those specs. Why would Canon give specs out to the retailers if they weren't going to give us any details?
Those specs read like one of the older CR rumour spec sheets.
 
I would have preferred it stayed the same size as the R3.
The R3 has to be the best body shape I've ever used (for me). R1 looking like it is back to 1DXII size instead of the R3's 1DIV size.
I was going to say, "only the R3 is prettier." And the R3 fits like a glove. Such a great camera.
 
Guys that Adorama spec sheet was ringing a bell in the back of my head that I'd read that list before.
A couple mins combing CR R1 posts and I found the source from January.
The Adorama spec sheet is just a copy/paste of this rumour. Even the odd verbiage around the DR is just from this rumour.
Those Adorama specs (now finally taken down) are BS

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Wouldn't it be awesome if Canon had Adorama botch that on purpose, knowing the level of interest and hype about this thing right now, so that they can bring down the expectations and then crush them with the actual release? Man, I would love for that to be the case. I will gladly eat crow for passing along Adorama's misinformation if it means we get a better camera in the end. I guess I'm back on board the hope train, baby! Let's see this thing through.
 
Guys, Canon's press release states it is a FF sensor. Obviously the APS-C part is the typo.

I don't know how Adorama got those specs. Why would Canon give specs out to the retailers if they weren't going to give us any details?
Those specs read like one of the older CR rumour spec sheets.
That was exactly what I said and questioned where they got the specs from because it was no doubt in my mind it wasn't from Canon
 
If they are shipping it in 2024 then they are already making it. Whatever it is.

Regardless, this makes the R5ii a very interesting camera if it has that co-processor to handle AF and other AI functions as well as a high speed (1/500 read?) stacked sensor.
 
If they are shipping it in 2024 then they are already making it. Whatever it is.

Regardless, this makes the R5ii a very interesting camera if it has that co-processor to handle AF and other AI functions as well as a high speed (1/500 read?) stacked sensor.
Will be interesting to see if the either the R1 or the R5II sensors have a faster readout speed faster than the 3.72ms of the Z9. It's currently the fastest stacked, non global sensor at the moment
 
I think you're kind of describing what Nikon did, not Canon. Canon was out with their R5 before Nikon was with their Z9 (the R3 was afterwards if i remember correctly) and Nikon sat back and reversed engineered the AF.
Unlikely Nikon bought AI Deep-Learning and Computer Vision innovators, Wrench purely as an ornament.
This was one of several companies, Nikon has purchased over the past decade to grow their Robotics and AI technology. This is aimed as much at precision engineering (manufacturing applications) in industry as well as Consumer imaging products (Z System). (The high speed stacked sensor announced in January 2021 flagged this R&D arena in a different division of Nikon.)

The D6 Autofocus system was developed post D5 release (2016-2019) if not they had in train earlier. The 3D Tracking AF mode premiered in the D5 and D500 (2016). It matured in the D6, announced 2019 and with Subject Recognition.... Well in as much as it's possible to accommodate SR in a DSLR architecture with restricted AF search area with its OVF.

After long experience in using and customizing my D6, it's obvious its face and eye detection algorithms, the D6 Custom Area AF modes especially, are precursors to matured technology in the Z9 (using both for wildlife).

It's also known as Innovators Dilemma.
Judging from the sustained flow of patents in sensor tech, optics as well as Autofocus tech etc registered by Nikon engineers over the past decade, Nikon is definitely not a company suffering a lack of innovation :ROFLMAO:

This is where they let other spend the money and R&D and Nikon can reap the rewards of it.
A camera or lens takes a few years from concepts to mass production. Nikon began planning their Z System well before its launch in August 2018.



What held them back was downsizing and exiting investments in their large Consumer DSLR liabilities, as well as recovering earnings on R&D invested in high end DSLR products and technology (AF included).

Above all, besides writing off of the odd factory, clearing this big DSLR inventory demanded balancing the continuing sales of F mount products Nikon had now identified as yesterday's ILC system. Only later could they prioritize fast tracking the new Z System.

Previously a trickle (besides bridging a pandemic), release of Nikon's high end MILC products finally accelerated at the end of 2021.

So through this parallel process of balancing Z system R&D while downsizing (aka mothballing) their F System, Nikon Imaging has sustained earnings on the prior R&D invested in their most recent Pro tier F-mount products, including the penultimate F Nikkors (105 f1.4E, 180-400 TC14 etc), and the D5 Triumvirate - the D850 in particular which is still earning for Nikon 7 years on, albeit less demand.

The corrections in a current DPR thread to a trending clickbait Petapixel article have more details on how Nikon skilfully restructured its Imaging Division...besides turning around the entire company; in part this entailed reshaping their Monodzukuri strategies eg production of optical elements.

The parts-bin D780, released in April 2020, presumably also has helped clear the DSLR inventory (besides selling more Z6 sensors). In parallel, while Nikon's management has been winding down F mount releases over the past decade, Nikon Imaging R&D must have been focused centrally on Z System products over the past decade.

However, it appears Nikon's factories have finite capacity to produce cameras and lenses. High quality products are risky to fast track after all. Backorders for popular products suggest this is the case....

The issue with the mid or entry models into mirrorless... Nikon wasn't all in on mirrorless at that point either. They weren't ready to give up on the DSLR quite yet till the Z9 was out. That was on them being a bit short-sighted.
Or write off potential earnings on DSLR investments, R&D especially? See above
I think the R1 might excite current Canon users to buy, but Canon's long glass (400mm and over) is the worst out there. They didn't have a lot of offerings. What they have is old DSLR lenses like the 600f4 with a permanently attached RF adapter and the lenses like 1200mm with a permanent adapter and 2x TC attached for $20k. The system currently making people switch is Nikon.
This makes sense for wildlife Telephotos

The AF at this point is splitting hairs between Nikon, Sony and Canon so what's the tipping of the scales currently is the glass Nikon is offering.
Definitely :)
I think Canon is behind Sony and Nikon in this regard
The AF innovations will continue to leapfrog going forward. Anyway AF systems are challenging to compare objectively. Each of the trio work well on 99% of subjects :)
 
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Unlikely Nikon bought AI Deep-Learning and Computer Vision innovators, Wrench purely as an ornament.
This was one of several companies, Nikon has purchased over the past decade to grow their Robotics and AI technology. This is aimed as much at precision engineering (manufacturing applications) in industry as well as Consumer imaging products (Z System). (The high speed stacked sensor announced in January 2021 flagged this R&D arena in a different division of Nikon.)

The D6 Autofocus system was developed post D5 release (2016-2019) if not they had in train earlier. The 3D Tracking AF mode premiered in the D5 and D500 (2016). It matured in the D6, announced 2019 and with Subject Recognition.... Well in as much as it's possible to accommodate SR in a DSLR architecture with restricted AF search area with an OVF.

After long experience in using and customizing my D6, it's obvious its face and eye detection algorithms, the D6 Custom Area AF modes especially, are precursors to matured technology in the Z9 (using both for wildlife).


Judging from the sustained flow of patents in sensor tech, optics as well as Autofocus tech etc registered by Nikon engineers over the past decade, Nikon is definitely not a company suffering a lack of innovation :ROFLMAO:


A camera or lens takes a few years from concepts to mass production. Nikon began planning their Z System well before its launch in August 2018.



What held them back was downsizing and exiting investments in their large Consumer DSLR liabilities, as well as recovering earnings on R&D invested in high end DSLR products and technology (AF included).

Above all, besides write offs of the odd factory, clearing this big DSLR inventory demanded balancing the continuing sales of F mount products they had now identified as yesterday's ILC system. Only later could they prioritize fast tracking the new Z System.

Previously a trickle (coping as well with a pandemic obviously), release of Nikon's high end MILC products finally accelerated at the end of 2021.

So through this parallel process of balancing Z system R&D and F System downsizing (aka Exiting) Nikon Imaging has sustained earnings on the prior R&D invested in their most recent Pro tier F-mount products, including the penultimate F Nikkors (105 f1.4E, 180-400 TC14 etc), and the D5 Triumvirate - the D850 in particular which is still earning for Nikon 7 years on, albeit less demand.

The corrections in a current DPR thread to a trending clickbait Petapixel article have more details on how Nikon skilfully restructured its Imaging Division...besides turning around the entire company; in part this entailed reshaping their Monodzukuri strategies eg production of optical elements.

The parts-bin D780, released in April 2020, presumably also has helped clear the DSLR inventory (besides selling more Z6 sensors). In parallel, while Nikon's management has been winding down F mount releases over the past decade, Nikon Imaging R&D must have been focused centrally on Z System products over the past decade.

However, it appears Nikon's factories have finite capacity to produce cameras and lenses. High quality products are risky to fast track after all. Backorders for popular products suggest this is the case....


Or write off potential earnings on DSLR investments, R&D especially? See above

This makes sense for wildlife Telephotos


AF will continue to leapfrog, and AF systems are challenging to compare objectively. Each of the trio work well on 99% of subjects :)
Thanks for the diatribe. We can are to disagree. If Nikon has this week in the bag a decade ago, they wouldn't have launched the Z cameras prior to the Z9. And they wouldn't have tried putting in 2 Expeed 6 processors trying to and failing to improve the AF.

Obviously they already had a stoker in the fire, but The Innovators Dilemma is a real and known thing.

I've been a Nikon guy for over 20 years and I'm well versed with Nikon's history of innovation. If you are then you'd know Nikon has a mirrorless out before Sony and Canon but thought it was a gimmick and never pursued it. So Nikon was not in on it a decade ago like you think.

The D850 isn't making any more money as it's production store over a year ago. The D6 was a panic move by Nikon at the time (the Z9 was still a year away from being ready) and was/is nothing more than a D5s that Nikon called a D6.

And Nikon want winding down F mount lenses a decade ago. It's that was the case they would not have spent the time and money in the R&D of the 300 and 500PF lenses in 2018 and made the the D5 and D500 in 2016 and the D850 in 2018. Nothing Nikon has dune Sierra anything you say.

So I'm good with agreeing to disagree.
 
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The Innovators Dilema, one of the must read books for people interessted in, or working, with technology or fields regularly affected by innovation.

I think both of you are actually quite close, and the truth is only known to Nikon or Canon anyways. The whole switch to mirrorless is actually a very nice show case for the Innovators Dilema and how companies tackle it and how markets are changed by disruption. As Nikon person, and someone who doesn't really follow camera development to begin with, I cannot say anything about Canon. For Nikon so, I was worried for a while. They did a good job so, because even the initial Z bodies are very good cameras. And yes, if someone talks about Nikon and mirrorless without mentioning Nikon 1 they miss something crucial.

One of the best marketing moves ever was Canon puzzing their cameras in the hands of people shooting major sport events and painting their lenses white. This, IMHO, more than anything else cemented Canon's image as "pro" brand. And with the upcoming Olympics, well, the R1 announcement makes sense.

Persobally, I am quite happy that, Nikon's early Z bodies, especially the Z6, got so much bad press. Used Z6s with a shutter count below 10k in near mint condition sell for less than used Z5s, D810s or D780s. For no real reason, eith all the firmware updates they received.

As I said eleswhere, all modern cameras and lenses are at least good enough, the actual model brand coming down to taste and personal preferences.

One thing regarding AF so: There is subject recognition and AF speed. The latter is focusing on a certain point, the former identifying said point. The early Z bodies had some issues regarding subject identification (mainly a question of computing power) and never the latter. People just constantly confuse those two. Some cross-type AF sensors would have been nice so, bot that it really matters IRL so that much.

That being said, no doubt the R1 will be a great camera that will find its buyers. Because I cannot remember Canon ever making a really bad one, not Nikon. No idea about Sony, Fujifilm and so on, but I assume they didn't have serious dud neither.
 
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