Nikon 180-600 Official Announcement / Discussion Thread

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I might be that B7 is set to ISO...

Well obviously the TC eats 1 Stop of light and your settings will determine what changes when you make that adjustment - for me I shoot manual with auto-iso as a result the iso changes if it the light hitting the sensor -- B7 - Keep Exp. When f/changes may well be the cause. I just changed mine from OFF to ISO and YES it did behave as the OP posted when I engaged the ITC
 
All I can say is that I want one! But, first I need to buy a Z9 or Z8! As always, great first review Steve. Thank you for doing it!
Or if you don't need super fast focus such as for BIF, you can get by with the Z50 - that's what I'm paring up the lens with. The hope is that Nikon puts out a Z series crop sensor that is equivalent to the D500 then we're gold!
 
I am a bit puzzled that Ricci gets to compare a pre-production lens with other lenses while the other reviewers say they are not allowed to do so.

I have good expectations for this lens. I am very interested to learn how it will work with a Z6ii as I am planning to replace my (back focusing) Tamron 100-400 with it this summer.
Same - I was really surprised when I saw those comparisons. Different countries seem to have different policies. For instance, here the Nikon rep has to be on-site and with the lens at all times, yet Jen Wagner in Australia had the lens for a week - I doubt Nikon was with him the entire time. So, it seems maybe each region sets their own policies or something.
 
If you're going to be the owner of this sweet lens, and you are in need of a bag to fit it, here's a great article I found over on alphashooters that shows different sized bags for the Sony 200-600, which is of similar size to the 180-600: https://www.alphashooters.com/sony-200-600-bag-guide/
I've never seen so many bags 'reviewed' for the same camera lens combo...what a great resource that is...
 
And therein lies the rub. I have the 100-400 and like the lens. I'd rather have the 180-600 but I'm not buying it and taking a big hit on selling the 100-400. And I don't need (or want) both. Then I considered if I want to sell my 500/4E replacing it with the 180-600 but no.....I'm keeping the 500.
I am in the same boat. I have the 100-400mm , the Z 1.4x tc, and the F mount 500mm f5.6 pf. I really need the extra reach of the 180-600mm but I do not want to dump my 100-400mm (just yet) . And I love using my 500mm f5.6 pf on my Z9. Logic says to skip the 180-600mm for the time being. But who knows? The $1700 price point is very attractive and thank goodness it has internal zoom.
 
I am in the same boat. I have the 100-400mm , the Z 1.4x tc, and the F mount 500mm f5.6 pf. I really need the extra reach of the 180-600mm but I do not want to dump my 100-400mm (just yet) . And I love using my 500mm f5.6 pf on my Z9. Logic says to skip the 180-600mm for the time being. But who knows? The $1700 price point is very attractive and thank goodness it has internal zoom.
The 100-400 does well with the 1.4TC and that'll be the route I take to get from 400 to 560 (tho I have not tried this combo yet as I'm still waiting on the zTC)
Put another way.....If the 100-400 works as well with the 1.4 TC as everyone states that makes the 180-600 too big and heavy (more than a pound and 3.5" longer) for me to monkey around with it. Besides, I'm not a fan of the 1 ring lenses. Give up manual focus for exposure comp? I don't like that tradeoff. I realize they kept the cost down with no dedicated focus ring or LFn2 or Mem set buttons but they just dumbed it down too much for my tastes.
 
Same - I was really surprised when I saw those comparisons. Different countries seem to have different policies. For instance, here the Nikon rep has to be on-site and with the lens at all times, yet Jen Wagner in Australia had the lens for a week - I doubt Nikon was with him the entire time. So, it seems maybe each region sets their own policies or something.
Nikon plays favourites. Nothing new but not very nice.
 
Nikon plays favourites. Nothing new but not very nice.
Honestly, I don't think that's what it is. I really feel like it's more regional policy than anything else. Although my time was very short with the lens, I don't think anyone in the US had much more time with it. I think Fro had it a couple of days, but I also think his schedule is easier for Nikon to manage since he's very close to their NY HQ. For me, I was traveling and they had to work around my schedule and really went out of their way to squeeze me in. Time was short, but the rep flew in and out the same day (about a 4.5 hour flight each way )and that really had to be grueling for him but he never complained once and repeatedly said it wasn't a big deal. The truth is, it seems like Nikon USA has a very tight schedule and I think it's that more than anything else - and they have a very strict policy about not letting people use the lens without the rep there. My guess is that they were burned in the past.
 
My take on this lens - it's an extra 100mm on the high end and 20mm less on the lower end, weighs less, has an internal zoom, and going from 180 to 600mm in such a small turn of the dial - this is enough to make this lens a winner and over the 200-500mm.

How bad can the image quality possibly can be? I don't think it's going to be 'bad' and will equate to the IQ of the 200-500mm, but hoping better. Steven's initial feedback based on his pre-production copy is sharp, so where is the doubt?
Just to clarify...it's actually also an extra 20mm on the lower end. I realize what you were trying to say but by saying it's 20mm less on the lower end, it implies it would be a 220, not an 180 ;)
 
Honestly, I don't think that's what it is. I really feel like it's more regional policy than anything else. Although my time was very short with the lens, I don't think anyone in the US had much more time with it. I think Fro had it a couple of days, but I also think his schedule is easier for Nikon to manage since he's very close to their NY HQ. For me, I was traveling and they had to work around my schedule and really went out of their way to squeeze me in. Time was short, but the rep flew in and out the same day (about a 4.5 hour flight each way )and that really had to be grueling for him but he never complained once and repeatedly said it wasn't a big deal. The truth is, it seems like Nikon USA has a very tight schedule and I think it's that more than anything else - and they have a very strict policy about not letting people use the lens without the rep there. My guess is that they were burned in the past.
I was not only referring specifically to lens/body/product testing. More in general - and also to be fair more specifically in my country as this is the only place I have any experience of in regards to Nikon. But I do think I should leave it there, it doesn't really matter what I believe - as I may also be wrong. My apologies. I should have kept my trap shut.
 
I was not only referring specifically to lens/body/product testing. More in general - and also to be fair more specifically in my country as this is the only place I have any experience of in regards to Nikon. But I do think I should leave it there, it doesn't really matter what I believe - as I may also be wrong. My apologies. I should have kept my trap shut.
No worries, I think every Nikon regional division is different and what you said may be true for your area. I just wanted to be clear on my end that Nikon really went out of their way for me. Now, if I can only talk them into letting me use the lens on my own for a week next time :D
 
Same - I was really surprised when I saw those comparisons. Different countries seem to have different policies. For instance, here the Nikon rep has to be on-site and with the lens at all times, yet Jen Wagner in Australia had the lens for a week - I doubt Nikon was with him the entire time. So, it seems maybe each region sets their own policies or something.
Ricci works for Nikon and is often the guy carrying the new stuff for ambassadors etc to use. He brought both lenses to an NPS event in London yesterday.
That is when he is not teaching at the Nikon uk school. I expect he wears many hats.
 
Looking at the top internal zooms for a single lens bird photography setup. (All data from B&H.)

1-Sony A1/200-600
B&H Price is $8500. Weight is 6.3#. F/stop @ 600mm 6.3, 50mp stacked sensor. Generally available
2-Nikon Z-8/180-600
B&H Price is $5700. Weight is 6.3#. F/stop @ 600mm 6.3, 45mp stacked sensor. Likely available this fall if you haven't acted by now.
3-OM Systems OM-1/150-400.
B&H price is $9500. Weight is 5.4#. F/Stop @ 400mm (800mm FF equivalent reach without built in 1.2 TC) 4.5. 20mp Stacked Sensor. Probably wait a year for the lens.

So, you are willing to spend $10K for a single lens (i.e. a zoom) solution for bird photography and feel like you need 600mm reach or more. It appears to me that the Nikon is a no brainer versus the Sony offering. Maybe the Sony is sharper or maybe the Nikon but most likely you can't tell the difference. I put the $2800 in my pocket and wait for the Nikon.

One question that I ask myself is would a birder who wanted to become a bird photographer and take decent pictures of birds even spend even $5700 for a Z-8/180-600 when a Canon R7/100-500 will take very good images for $4100 and an OM Systems OM-1/100-400 is even cheaper at $3300. Realistically how big is the market?

Tom

Another OM Systems option would be, to pair the OM-1 with the Olympus 100-400mm f/5-6.3 and the price would come down to just $3,300. You could add the 300mm f/4 for $2,800 and still be at just $6,100

None the less, I think Nikon wins the bang for buck battle since I suspect the 180-600 will probably be a better lens than the Olympus 100-400.
 
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