Nikon 180-600 Official Announcement / Discussion Thread

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@eaj101 i think the driving factor typically should be what focal length you need most of the time. if you don't need more than 400mm, then the 100-400 is probably going to be a better choice. but if 400 is too short, the 100-400 is probably not the best choice. if you don't need a zoom and you need something around 400, the 400 4.5 looks more attractive.
 
I think it depends how often you need 400mm and, when you're in the range, if you would benefit from a zoom. I know when I'm at shorter focal lengths, I often require a zoom more often than when I'm at longer lengths. However, I also know I like how light the 400 4.5 is - and it's a bit faster at 400mm of course.
Thank you Steve! Do you think the 70-200 f2.8 with 1.4 tc is as sharp as the 180-600 at something close to 300 mm ? In certain situation I feel that my 600 mm tc is too long for close subject and I need something between 300 and 500mm. And How about the bokeh? Does it compare to the 400 mm 4.5 at 400 mm? Maybe it is good idea to have both the 400 f4.5 and the 200- 600. The last one can be used mainly for hiking. Difficult to decide.
Thanks again.
 
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As I have said previously, until Nikon came out with this lens, they did not have an offering for the amateur bird photographer who wants a single lens solution, i.e. a zoom.

It looks to me that a Z-8/180-600 is a direct competitor to a Sony A-1/200-600 at a significantly reduced price. It is also less expensive than an OM Systems OM-1/150-400 and hopefully easier to get.
 
@eaj101 i think the driving factor typically should be what focal length you need most of the time. if you don't need more than 400mm, then the 100-400 is probably going to be a better choice. but if 400 is too short, the 100-400 is probably not the best choice. if you don't need a zoom and you need something around 400, the 400 4.5 looks more attractive.
I agree, but my habit in the past has often been to couple a long prime with a 'mid-range' zoom (70-200 being 'short' in this scenario). For a long time it was the 80-400 and a 500 F4D, or the 200-400 if I knew I didn't usually need the reach. The 500PF replaced the 500F4 (I still have reservations about that). I find that when I need the reach I will stay there, and if you're always at the maximum reach of a zoom a prime has a lot of advantages (I don't hear Sony people replacing their 600s with 200-600s. More the other way around). This is the outfit I've taken anywhere I can carry/fly with it (not everywhere).

In Z-land, the 100-400 is lighter than the 80-400 and *a good deal* sharper. That's the 'long mid range' zoom. Right now the 500PF is the long prime. Lenses >$10K are not in my current reality. Hmmm....
 
I seem to recall that yes, there was a lot of copy variation. I think Steve even had a video where he suggested he was on his third one before he was happy (I could be wrong on this). My copy of the 200-500mm was super - I'd honestly put it right there with my 500PF and have tons of images showing it. I have since gifted the lens to a 15 year old cousin that needed it more than me; he's doing super with that heavy tank!
I only had one 200-500 but it went back to Nikon under warranty twice and then a Nikon recall and that finally made it a quite capable lens and it got fixed in time for my only trip to Africa and it did great. For wildlife primarily birds I eventually replaced it with a Tamron 150-600 G2 and Sigma 60-600 sport and finally last f mount set up a unique trio of Tamron 100-400, Nikon 500 PF and Nikon 600 f/4E. Now Z9 with Z800 and Z100-400 and Z180-600 ordered.
 
I'm excited very much for this lens (and pre-ordered this morning), but in fairness, I think the shots from the 200-500mm in Ricci's video looked horrible. I experienced much better performance from my 200-500mm than that implied. JMHO
Ricci did precede his review by talking about the horrible shooting conditions, like the morning fog. I suspect that’s what the problem is. Every other review has shown nice crisp images.
 
Interestingly, it doesn't look like the silhouette from the roadmap would have implied.
Well, it isn't the same lens that was in the roadmap. The roadmap announced a 200-600.
Has Nikon decided to change horses at mid race?
Has Nikon outsourced layout and production to prevent backorders?
So many questions...

Very nice that it is an internal zoom.
It’s not the first time that a lens as announced had a different focal range than was indicated on the roadmap. During development, specs can change. I wonder if this is a derivative of a Tamron optical design or if it’s Nikon developed? Regardless, I preordered one. 😊
 
Ricci did precede his review by talking about the horrible shooting conditions, like the morning fog. I suspect that’s what the problem is. Every other review has shown nice crisp images.
The video reviewers I’ve watched say that their time with the two new lenses was very limited—just an hour or two. He wasn’t quite as clear but Ricci may not have had much shooting time, either.
 
The lens I want is the yet to be released S version of the Sigma 60-600mm lens but for the time being the 200-600mm will be useful, particarly when shooting video with a tripod and video head.

When I placed an order by phone with B&H earlier today the salesperson said I was the first person to place an order with them. Evidenly people are hesitant to purchase. For me the $1700 price was enticing at this point in time.

It is nice that the 180-600mm takes a 95mm filter so I can use the one I bought for the 200-500mm lens and now used with the 800mm PF lens.
 
Ricci Chera is a Nikon employee, in Nikon School, UK.

He's in a unique position, where the company ensure he has early access to products long before outsiders to the company touch the lens or camera. In some cases, Ricci has tested a camera for several weeks eg Z9 and Z8

i thought he claimed to have it for a while. there seems to be a difference tho. some reviewers had it for days, some for hours
 
It’s not the first time that a lens as announced had a different focal range than was indicated on the roadmap. During development, specs can change. I wonder if this is a derivative of a Tamron optical design or if it’s Nikon developed? Regardless, I preordered one. 😊
Steve clarified that the 180-600 is Nikon designed, not a Tamron derivative.
 
Ricci Chera is a Nikon employee, in Nikon School, UK.

He's in a unique position, where the company ensure he has early access to products long before outsiders to the company touch the lens or camera. In some cases, Ricci has tested a camera for several weeks eg Z9 and Z8
yes. but some of the reviewers have had it for days, some hours. agree, Ricci has had it longer much longer than everyone else due to being a Nikon employee
 
Ricci did precede his review by talking about the horrible shooting conditions, like the morning fog. I suspect that’s what the problem is. Every other review has shown nice crisp images.
I think he was only shooting the 180-600 in the fog. All his comparison shots with the ColorChecker were done at home in good conditions. I don't think he showed any 200-500 in the field.
 
I did pre-order one to be low on the list while I evaluate my need for one. I already have two lens or order, one for over a year now with no indications either will be fulfilled during the next year. Having the day to think about it I don't feel it's a good fit for me, and will be cancelling the order. Probably wait until next week just to sure...
 
Thank you Steve! Do you think the 70-200 f2.8 with 1.4 tc is as sharp as the 180-600 at something close to 300 mm ? In certain situation I feel that my 600 mm tc is too long for close subject and I need something between 300 and 500mm. And How about the bokeh? Does it compare to the 400 mm 4.5 at 400 mm? Maybe it is good idea to have both the 400 f4.5 and the 200- 600. The last one can be used mainly for hiking. Difficult to decide.
Thanks again.
I honesty don't know. I don't use the 70-200 that much and very seldom with the TC. It's a good one to add to the test list :)
 
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