Cameron T
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I don't believe that's the case, because as far as I know the z8 uses the same sled. I could very well be wrong though.
Rumors: New Nikon Z9 Firmware Update With Enhanced AF Acquisition Coming Soon (or not 🙂)
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Parfumeur
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RichF: Not a guess, and educated guess, from experience! I think the Z9 has memory issues, or lack thereof.
Can't even save the setting file in body for quick retrieval and restore to YOUR defaults.
Can't even save the setting file in body for quick retrieval and restore to YOUR defaults.
John Navitsky
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+1. note there are other features that haven’t come yet that seem like they almost certainly will, like the cloud stuff.
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Parfumeur
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?? Each shift contains a full frame. Most likely, 4 or more frames (see OM system for implementation).
Then each capture has to be combined AND stored then fed to a card.
What do you think from experience about the final size and storage of the resultant file? How much dynamic memory would be needed to handle the data?
John Navitsky
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ah, i see. buffer is what, 20 frames? so, yah, maybe that is an issue for that specific feature.
John Navitsky
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if so, that might mean maximum possible shift would be four frames
Parfumeur
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Not only do we have a buffer size (memory), but the data handling, heat generated, speed of computations. This is not a Nikon issue, but current state of the art of micro processors. OM systems can do it. as there is less data to handle. Solution: Take pano and stich in post.
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Creating gigapixel panoramas with a robotic panohead - PTGui Stitching Software
PTGui is image stitching software for stitching photographs into a seamless 360-degree spherical or gigapixel panoramic image
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Joel N
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Nikon implementation of pixel shift is not done in camera. Is captured in camera and post processed via nx studio off camera.Not only do we have a buffer size (memory), but the data handling, heat generated, speed of computations. This is not a Nikon issue, but current state of the art of micro processors. OM systems can do it. as there is less data to handle. Solution: Take pano and stich in post.
Creating gigapixel panoramas with a robotic panohead - PTGui Stitching Software
PTGui is image stitching software for stitching photographs into a seamless 360-degree spherical or gigapixel panoramic image
John Navitsky
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ah, right. and that’s probably why
Parfumeur
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Ah! Now that is a possibilty. A clean easy implementation. BUT the results cannot be viewed in the field. Akin to stacking and processing when back at the studio.. Now on to the issue of using the IBIS to create 4 or more single files to be post processed. I'm not familiar with the tech data, but I read some use color selective pixel saving. I'll bow out, as this is not my area of expertise - how the files and pixels are combined in pixel shift.
The processing is done in post, and relative to recording internal 8k RAW this is childplay. If the sensor can be moved in such manner.Not only do we have a buffer size (memory), but the data handling, heat generated, speed of computations. This is not a Nikon issue, but current state of the art of micro processors. OM systems can do it. as there is less data to handle. Solution: Take pano and stich in post.
Creating gigapixel panoramas with a robotic panohead - PTGui Stitching Software
PTGui is image stitching software for stitching photographs into a seamless 360-degree spherical or gigapixel panoramic image
Perhaps Nikon wants to keep the Z9 and Z8 differentiated in terms of functionality. Or, there might be some other reason. But I’ve been told by Nikon personnel that the sensor and supporting hardware is identical.
I have not had too many reasons to ever use pixel-shifting and I view it as a gimmick to help market small sensors, so I agree it's not at all important to the 8 and 9. I tried it on my (now sold) Zf, and it works as advertised.
Same here. I tried it on my Zf (also sold) and later on my Z8 while shooting landscapes. The detail in the resulting images was impressive. It’s nice to know it’s there if I need it but it isn’t something I’m going to use often.
Parfumeur
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Not having a Z8, I was not aware it did pixel shifting. Checked on line the feature, and it is done in post.
www.photoartfromscience.com
Nice, Im impressed. Maybe now on my GAS list! Thank you for making me aware.
Pixel Shift Shooting Analysis of the Nikon Z8
Tutorial on using the new Nikon Z8 pixel-shift shooting feature. Includes an analysis of actual resolution increase to expect.
www.photoartfromscience.com
Nice, Im impressed. Maybe now on my GAS list! Thank you for making me aware.
From the few images I’ve taken with my Zf and Z8 you can get some high detail but absolutely massive RAW file sizes that can be a bit slow to work with. Think 800-900+mb per image.
Maybe for landscape shooting it would be useful but I have not found pixel shift to be much use so far.
Henry Hudson did a comparison between pixel shift and adobe super resolution which was interesting and made pixel shift look a lot less necessary as a feature.
Maybe for landscape shooting it would be useful but I have not found pixel shift to be much use so far.
Henry Hudson did a comparison between pixel shift and adobe super resolution which was interesting and made pixel shift look a lot less necessary as a feature.
Parfumeur
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Yes, landscapes for murals.
That would be a good use case. I was thinking nightscapes for lower noise or for studio product shots or still life as well. I suppose portraits too if people are still.
pxPHIL
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Rumoured for a firmware update for the Paris games. The Z9 with enhanced AF acquisition. It has still not happened yet and Pixel Shift (or the lack of it) relegates the Z9 as being secondary to the Z8........Every day I am hoping for an announcement....
Not to worry - I'm confident that since I just updated all my books, Nikon will release firmware any minute now and make them obsolete again! LOL!
Cameron T
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Where are the rumored Nikon Zf/Z7II/Z8/Z9 firmware updates? - Nikon Rumors
Here is the explanation I received about the delay of the rumored Nikon Zf/Z7II/Z8/Z9 firmware updates: “These updates were supposed to be released months ago, but they’ve been delayed because of some major issues with Nikon’s Imaging Cloud and the Z7II. Apparently, backporting the functionality...
nikonrumors.com
And on cue
Cameron T
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on one hand, I know it's really annoying for you (and others) to have to constantly update things.
On the other...nikon, please give us an update.
rick_reno
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if they do an update I'd like to see them roll out C2PA.
John Navitsky
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big +1