Bill Ferris
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I think it's still worth it to request an accounting of the tool usage. If they are unable or unwilling to provide that, Adobe exposes itself to claims of inappropriate charges for undocumented services.
Adobes future credit charges
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So why do you only have 100 credits; shouldn’t it be 250 a month?
EDIT never mind I see you had 250.
Example of a complex use that I recall - green blurred grass in front of a leopard face. I recall it did a great job. Your thread here contains a useful learning point for us.
It does work great for sure but seems especially for removal of small objects it should be and remain free
If not I just won't use it
TomRC
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Long time LR / PS user. Just purchased DXO Photolab 8, Filmpack and Nik Collection. Adobe pricing just keeps creeping up and up, not to mention these “credits” fees. Add it up over a few years and it is getting up there! Will miss all that Photoshop offers over and above Lightroom for photography but so far I’m really liking what I am seeing with DXO Photolab. Time will tell.
I have contemplated using PL8 and Affinity along with DXO pure raw. All of these programs are very good and very capable.
viper699
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Same- I own Affinity- fair price, free updates. They were bought by Canva though so I’m worried it turns to rentware
I use generative fill in LrC Develop Module a lot. I do not use Firefly routinely, but have on occasion, these are two different programs. When I look at my Firefly credits on the Adobe dashboard I have 250 credits, for Firefly. It does not appear that any credits have been deducted for using generative fill in LrC, something I do quite often.
TomRC
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Just getting started with it but was thinking DXO Pure Raw was a part of DXO Photolab 8 Elite but apparently not the case. Photolab 8 seems to have impressive RAW processing capabilities but I need to figure out what I'm missing by not having Pure Raw??
Nothing. Same denoise and lens corrections
This might, at some point, be something which gets integrated into Adobe's photo apps. If so, users will have to pay for it somehow.
petapixel.com
Adobe Shockingly Welcomes Third-Party AI Models to the Creative Cloud
Adobe opens the gates.
petapixel.com
We can always say "something" "might get integrated," which it might, but that is not the case now so why be alarmist? People seem to be able to do that to themselves without the help of anyone else...This might, at some point, be something which gets integrated into Adobe's photo apps. If so, users will have to pay for it somehow.
Adobe Shockingly Welcomes Third-Party AI Models to the Creative Cloud
Adobe opens the gates.
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See that's what I had been doing as well but it shows my credits depleted. I was under the assumption when adobe implemented this into PS and later in LRC there would only be charges/credits for generating content, not simply removing it. The guy at Adobe I talked to today didn't have a clear answer either which is really bad. I asked twice about the remove tool in PS but he never could tell me if that one used credits. It's like being in a round room looking for the corner, or so it seems lol
I'm not being alarmist. I'm sharing something which Adobe says it is doing. It's also logical to assume it will be eventually leveraged beyond Firefly. If so, users will pay to use it. Adobe isn't a charity. In saying this, I'm also not being critical of Adobe. I get substantial value from its products and I want them to continue to evolve and improve.We can always say "something" "might get integrated," which it might, but that is not the case now so why be alarmist? People seem to be able to do that to themselves without the help of anyone else...
At the end of the day, I just don't want to be paying a subscription within a subscription. It is certainly starting to sound like that is going to transpire, which is disheartening to say the least. I pay a yearly fee for Helicon Focus because I do so much macro work but I can process as much as I want and have access to all features without limits. This is the way any subscription should be IMO.
viper699
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My impression was removing items would cost credits provided it used AI, and wasn’t done locally.
In my case that's precisely what's happening which is why I am so confused by it all.
viper699
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Yes if one utilizes their AI, that uses credits.
For example, removing sticks or people seems to use “Adobe's Generative Remove, available in Lightroom and Photoshop, uses AI to remove unwanted elements from photos by intelligently replacing them with new, generated content”
If I understand correctly what's on Adobe's Creative Cloud Generative AI Features page, use of a Generative AI action for Generative Expand, Generative Erase, and Generative Fill will consume one credit. It isn't exactly clear what constitutes "a Generative AI action." There are other AI capabilities which aren't "Generative," and those don't consume a credit.
viper699
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Read that too, it would be smart of them to give examples of each of those AI classes.
Link to an Adobe page with a lengthy explanation, in the usual Adobe not-completely-clear way, but still helpful and contains other links:
https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/get-set-up/learn-the-basics/generative-credits-faq.html.
https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/get-set-up/learn-the-basics/generative-credits-faq.html.
In most cases…using the generative AI isn’t necessary IMO. And in addition it has limited pixel dimensions and produces less detailed results compared to the rest of the image. I’ve found that content aware fill or just the normal non AI tools to on the whole be superior.
Adobe and clear shouldn’t be used together
