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Hi everyone ! New member here !

I'm definitely on the fence with this new A1II.
Should it have just the same 30fps, would it be better to had the speedier A9III to complement my A1 or just replace it with the new one ?
I believe it would open up the lack of photo possibilities.
I've been salivating with the idea of finally having pre capture, however, I don't do much bird photography in hides, and to make things worse, I like to shoot the small ones the most !
Not sure if the 24Mpx of the A9III would actually be an handy tool that I could use extensively in all my photography locations.
Any thoughts on this ?

Thanks !
Welcome!

I'd say wait until the official specs are announced. It's only a few days. However, it does sound to me like you want some flavor of the a1. The a9iii is fantastic, but the a1 is, IMO, more versatile. If I could only have one, it would be the a1 series.
 
Hi everyone ! New member here !

I'm definitely on the fence with this new A1II.
Should it have just the same 30fps, would it be better to had the speedier A9III to complement my A1 or just replace it with the new one ?
I believe it would open up the lack of photo possibilities.
I've been salivating with the idea of finally having pre capture, however, I don't do much bird photography in hides, and to make things worse, I like to shoot the small ones the most !
Not sure if the 24Mpx of the A9III would actually be an handy tool that I could use extensively in all my photography locations.
Any thoughts on this ?

Thanks !
My thoughts are, I have an A1,A7RV and A6700. I do lots of different types of photography but small birds and macro are the ones I do most. Having said that, I have owned my current A1 well over two years and I’ve never shot in excess of 20 frames per second. I have never seen anything even remotely require a frame rate that high. Plus, I don’t like to cull through lots of photos. I Don’t suspect, even if I had pre-capture that I would even use it to be honest. I just don’t like spraying images at something. I tend to be more methodical in the way I shoot. Having said all that, I can’t imagine the new A1 will have something that will entice me to spend that much money when I already have an extremely capable camera. Plus having the other two bodies really covers just about anything I could ever photograph.
 
Hi Steven, I can certainly appreciate your comments about shooting at high frame rates and Pre-Capture, everyone has their own way as to how they go about their craft. I've had an A1 from day one and have been very satisfied with what it offers me in my style of shooting, but having shot with the A93 has opened my eyes to things I would have had a very difficult time in doing if at all. I never knew the type of action I was missing until I used the Pre-capture feature and shooting at a higher frame rate than 30fps was the same for me. Not to say that I always shooting at a high frame rate, typically it's 30fps, but it's awful nice and interesting to see what you actually do capture with both of these features, Pre-Capture and higher frame rates.
 
Although all modern cameras have features that I don't use and probably never will, Olympus' Procapture (precapture) is a great feature and very useful. My Olympus cameras have the ability to do Procapture at either 18 fps or 60fps, I've always used 18fps to avoid having to sort through so many photos. The feature is really useful for birds, dragonflies and butterflies.
 
Thank you all for your insights.
I've done my math and I believe I could afford keeping my A1 and add the A9III (there's a good deal for it here in Europe) or just replace the A1 with the A1II (would probably need to sell the A1).
Steve's advice will be taken in consideration as I shall wait for the final A1II specs.

More often than not, I'm mostly photographing at 20fps, as Steven does, but I do wonder how much more I could take from the approach which Louis has taken with the A9III (precapture + 60fps or higher).
That being said... this is a great time to be a photographer (hobbyist in my case)... as we are being treated with the finest technology being made available at the tip of our fingers... and all it's left to us ... is to use those to scratch our heads in awe and indecision, thinking about the next "big buy" !
 
Welcome!

I'd say wait until the official specs are announced. It's only a few days. However, it does sound to me like you want some flavor of the a1. The a9iii is fantastic, but the a1 is, IMO, more versatile. If I could only have one, it would be the a1 series.
I agree. I’m selling both of my a1’s, one is already sold and hope the other one is gone by this weekend. I also have an a9III which I’m planning on keeping for the moments it’s the better tool in the tool box. Now if the a1 has a decent buffer and more fps than 30 I’d consider going back to all a1MK2. But the 60 and even 120fps for bird photography is amazing! I don’t want to give that up.
 
Hi Steven, I can certainly appreciate your comments about shooting at high frame rates and Pre-Capture, everyone has their own way as to how they go about their craft. I've had an A1 from day one and have been very satisfied with what it offers me in my style of shooting, but having shot with the A93 has opened my eyes to things I would have had a very difficult time in doing if at all. I never knew the type of action I was missing until I used the Pre-capture feature and shooting at a higher frame rate than 30fps was the same for me. Not to say that I always shooting at a high frame rate, typically it's 30fps, but it's awful nice and interesting to see what you actually do capture with both of these features, Pre-Capture and higher frame rates.
So how many images are taken with each burst of pre-capture out of curiosity? I’m just a type of person that doesn’t like to come home with hundreds or even thousands of images with a millimeter difference in movement and sort through them. As you said we all have our likes and dislikes. I like being more methodical in the way I shoot. If it’s only 10 or 15 images each time that would not be bad, but if it’s a few hundred every time you hit the shutter button that would not be for me. I also cull heavily and never keep any images that aren’t edited. I am definitely a minimalist and probably have OCD on top of that lol😆
 
I agree. I’m selling both of my a1’s, one is already sold and hope the other one is gone by this weekend. I also have an a9III which I’m planning on keeping for the moments it’s the better tool in the tool box. Now if the a1 has a decent buffer and more fps than 30 I’d consider going back to all a1MK2. But the 60 and even 120fps for bird photography is amazing! I don’t want to give that up.
I've read that you pretty much use it the most these days. I'm afraid that in my case, the A9III may be some sort of a niche product even for the way I'm doing bird photography... but it's definitely an enticing one !
 
So how many images are taken with each burst of pre-capture out of curiosity? I’m just a type of person that doesn’t like to come home with hundreds or even thousands of images with a millimeter difference in movement and sort through them. As you said we all have our likes and dislikes. I like being more methodical in the way I shoot. If it’s only 10 or 15 images each time that would not be bad, but if it’s a few hundred every time you hit the shutter button that would not be for me. I also cull heavily and never keep any images that aren’t edited. I am definitely a minimalist and probably have OCD on top of that lol😆
Interesting point there. I'm not that much organized so ... I've got plenty of Gigabytes pilling up on my desktop. ... 😅
I'm sure Steven can share his experience on the subject.
 
Hi Steven, I can certainly appreciate your comments about shooting at high frame rates and Pre-Capture, everyone has their own way as to how they go about their craft. I've had an A1 from day one and have been very satisfied with what it offers me in my style of shooting, but having shot with the A93 has opened my eyes to things I would have had a very difficult time in doing if at all. I never knew the type of action I was missing until I used the Pre-capture feature and shooting at a higher frame rate than 30fps was the same for me. Not to say that I always shooting at a high frame rate, typically it's 30fps, but it's awful nice and interesting to see what you actually do capture with both of these features, Pre-Capture and higher frame rates.
I agree. The higher frame rate opens up opportunities.
 
So how many images are taken with each burst of pre-capture out of curiosity? I’m just a type of person that doesn’t like to come home with hundreds or even thousands of images with a millimeter difference in movement and sort through them. As you said we all have our likes and dislikes. I like being more methodical in the way I shoot. If it’s only 10 or 15 images each time that would not be bad, but if it’s a few hundred every time you hit the shutter button that would not be for me. I also cull heavily and never keep any images that aren’t edited. I am definitely a minimalist and probably have OCD on top of that lol😆
It depends on how long you have pre capture on for .1-1 second and your frame rate. Precapture works on all frame rates.
From everything I’ve read from you on your style of photography the new a1 or a9III is not for you. As you’ve mentioned here and other posts you aren’t someone who shoots with speed and you do little flying bird photography.
Precapture is most beneficial for action. Sports, birds in flight, animals doing animal things such as hunting, running, fighting etc you are more likely to capture the peak moment of action. Higher frame rates paired with this tech also deliver more peak moments.
For me the 60 and 120fps has opened more doors as I do a lot of bird in flight photography. I have many more choices for the perfect wing position, catching bugs in the air etc etc. when shooting at slower frame rates you often miss the peak moment. That’s the difference of a nice photo and a stunning one.
Sure some will say I can do it with one frame a second. Great for you but your likelihood of getting the shot and me at 60FPS is drastically improved.
I also have a job and don’t get to shoot every day let alone every week so my time in the field is more limited than others. I expect my gear to assist in getting results with the time I have, I prefer to leave luck to those who are retired lol.
There are real benefits to the speed and precapture but it’s highly dependent on your style and subjects. I couldn’t see a studio portrait photographer needing any of it. That’s why choices are great!
 
I've read that you pretty much use it the most these days. I'm afraid that in my case, the A9III may be some sort of a niche product even for the way I'm doing bird photography... but it's definitely an enticing one !
It is a niche camera and I tell folks all the time debating between it or a1 who can only have one buy the a1. The a1 is more versatile but my blessed to be able to have both.
 
It depends on how long you have pre capture on for .1-1 second and your frame rate. Precapture works on all frame rates.
From everything I’ve read from you on your style of photography the new a1 or a9III is not for you. As you’ve mentioned here and other posts you aren’t someone who shoots with speed and you do little flying bird photography.
Precapture is most beneficial for action. Sports, birds in flight, animals doing animal things such as hunting, running, fighting etc you are more likely to capture the peak moment of action. Higher frame rates paired with this tech also deliver more peak moments.
For me the 60 and 120fps has opened more doors as I do a lot of bird in flight photography. I have many more choices for the perfect wing position, catching bugs in the air etc etc. when shooting at slower frame rates you often miss the peak moment. That’s the difference of a nice photo and a stunning one.
Sure some will say I can do it with one frame a second. Great for you but your likelihood of getting the shot and me at 60FPS is drastically improved.
I also have a job and don’t get to shoot every day let alone every week so my time in the field is more limited than others. I expect my gear to assist in getting results with the time I have, I prefer to leave luck to those who are retired lol.
There are real benefits to the speed and precapture but it’s highly dependent on your style and subjects. I couldn’t see a studio portrait photographer needing any of it. That’s why choices are great!
So if I were shooting 12-15fps which is what I use 90% of the time then each time pre capture would take 12-15 images correct?
 
So if I were shooting 12-15fps which is what I use 90% of the time then each time pre capture would take 12-15 images correct?
It depends on how long a time you set for pre-capture. If you set e.g. 1/3s it would add 4 or five frames to the front of each of your bursts. While I believe 1s is the longest time you can set this to on the A9III but most folks seem to use less than 1/2s. You want it just long enough that you can reliably react that fast.
 
It depends on how long a time you set for pre-capture. If you set e.g. 1/3s it would add 4 or five frames to the front of each of your bursts. While I believe 1s is the longest time you can set this to on the A9III but most folks seem to use less than 1/2s. You want it just long enough that you can reliably react that fast.
That’s good to know. I have never really heard anyone say. That does seem like it would be useful and if I used it then it would most likely be a half second or so. it only records those files if you actuate the shutter though correct?
 
That’s good to know. I have never really heard anyone say. That does seem like it would be useful and if I used it then it would most likely be a half second or so. it only records those files if you actuate the shutter though correct?
Yes. It will only start filling the buffer after you start half pressing the shutter (aka start to focus) and drop the entire buffer if you release it. That bit me when I re-focussed (cycled the AF) on a small critter just when it took of. Arbitrage here said in a different thread that he came home with less shots of swallows in flight to sift through, as he no longer needed to start shooting before something actually happened (which often would not happen at all).
 
So if I were shooting 12-15fps which is what I use 90% of the time then each time pre capture would take 12-15 images correct?
Well only if you had a full one second of pre capture. I don’t know anyone who is using it over half second and it seems most have settled on .3 seconds. Easy math is if you are at 10fps and .3 pre capture you’d basically have 3 frames.
 
Well only if you had a full one second of pre capture. I don’t know anyone who is using it over half second and it seems most have settled on .3 seconds. Easy math is if you are at 10fps and .3 pre capture you’d basically have 3 frames.
Very interesting, I was under the assumption it was a massive amount of files. I could see this really being beneficial for nesting woodpeckers which are very hard to time as well as kingfishers.
 
In my experience with shooting the A93, you can certainly set the camera up both Burst Shooting Mode and Pre-Capture Mode such that you get the benefit of those features but still be within reason as to the number of images you take when pushing the shutter. No fun coming back home with thousands of images to wade through, and with a little careful thought in setup and shooting you won't have to.
 
Well only if you had a full one second of pre capture. I don’t know anyone who is using it over half second and it seems most have settled on .3 seconds. Easy math is if you are at 10fps and .3 pre capture you’d basically have 3 frames.
how fast are your reflexes. If I miss 0.3 second but can respond within 1 second, that determines what I need
 
It is a niche camera and I tell folks all the time debating between it or a1 who can only have one buy the a1. The a1 is more versatile but my blessed to be able to have both.
And there lays my existential doubt ! Keep A1 and add A9III or just replace A1 with A1II and be happy with the more versatile 50Mpx plus the precapture (most likely caped at 30fps). ... time... and Sony will tell ! 🙂
 
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