arbitrage
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Would you buy the A1II if it is "only" 30FPS but does have precapture? Or would you just stick with A1 and A9III combo?
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daran
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When the A1 was new and everyone hungry for chip specs, the chip was reported to have a readout rate of 250fps@14bit, which is a bit inaccurate. And a frame rate (time for full capture plus unloading from chip) of 44fps. Which has me scratching my head whether 60fps isn't overly optimistic. The 120fps in video are a valid point, but are scanned and processed in a different way. And also use a much lower bit rate. And a lower readout rate, too, as measurable in the rate of shearing due to movement in resulting video which is much slower than for stills. So I'd guess something like 40fps for full IQ seems more likely than 60fps.
Videos, a different animal. You’re using an exponentially slower shutter speed, which gives it the ability to record in 120 friends per second
One other thing you’re not taking it into consideration either, is during video, you’re shooting basically JPEG‘s not raw full frame files. Another thing I can tell you with the A1 body being that small heat dissipation is also going to be an issue if you have the current A1 out in temperatures greater than 90°, especially on humid days, if you shoot 60 or 120 frames per second video it will not even in the max temperature setting go only 4 to 5 minutes without heating up and shutting down. Both A1 bodies I have owned performed exactly the same. I do a ton of video so I can’t imagine how hot the camera would get if you’re shooting 60 frames per second raw.
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I do plan on upgrading one a1 and keep the a9III when I want more speed. This is assuming the buffer or fps of the a1 is lower than 60FPS. I do plan on selling both a1’s and will be listing this week and just shoot the a9III until the new a1 ships. I use my a9III much more than my a1’s now. I pretty much only use the a1 when I need the higher MP. I’ve printed a9III files as big as my printer can do at 16x20 and they look fantastic!
daran
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I usually print Din-A2, which is about the same size (16 13⁄24 × 23 3⁄8 in). I find that printing images all the way down to 16MP is apparently good enough for me. But that is after crop. It is rare that I fill the frame with BIF action. And even if could position myself that close, I usually can't track precise enough and would clip wings on most frames. Hence why I rather prefer to crop from 50MP. For 50MP I can crop away up to 43% of the image width, for 24MP that is only 18%.
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This makes complete sense, if the A9iii can do 120. The A1ii would be able to do 60 FPS.
Some of the rumours are just ridiculous.. Remember when they first said it would not have the A9iii body design? Again it didn't make any sense. And it's the same with the frame rate now... Don't worry it will be more than 30, most likely 60. And then what the point of the new CF 4.0 cards?
Confirmed: Sony A1II sticks to the “old” 30fps and 8k4p features…but there is maybe one good news ;) | sonyalpharumors
Yesterday I reported that I "feared" the Sony A1II would be pretty much be a conservative facelift. Overnight two trusted sources (thanks!) confirmed the Sony A1II will indeed have: Same A1 sensor Same 30fps as the predecessor Same 8k30p as the predecessor But there may be some good news...
www.sonyalpharumors.com
But what about pre-capture? now on this link it does not say anything about it!
I think all things considered, I’m just going to stick to my trusty first generation model that still performs just fine other than some auto focus bugs.i was wrong.. 30 FPS confirmed....Confirmed: Sony A1II sticks to the “old” 30fps and 8k4p features…but there is maybe one good news ;) | sonyalpharumors
Yesterday I reported that I "feared" the Sony A1II would be pretty much be a conservative facelift. Overnight two trusted sources (thanks!) confirmed the Sony A1II will indeed have: Same A1 sensor Same 30fps as the predecessor Same 8k30p as the predecessor But there may be some good news...
But what about pre-capture? now on this link it does not say anything about it!
I wouldn’t believe the leaks. We will know everything on the 19th. To me it’s worth the upgrade if it gets the a9III af. I would just for the bug eye af with the 50MP sensor.
Same here! If this is true, I feel like Nikon is going to get ahead in this game with a future Z9ii.
Agree 100%. I've often been on the other side of this, where I knew what was coming and watched all the speculation and rumors. It's amazing how often the rumors were way off base.
Yeah, that sounds like a big old dud to me and that’s just being honest. I’m seriously considering snatching up a mint used first generation A1 from someone that buys one of these lol
I’ve got two for sale currently
You're tempting me lol. Is the shutter count extremely high? Any damage cosmetically?I’ve got two for sale currently
The first one I’ve posted has a shutter count of 1246. I haven’t checked the other one but the other one is about a year newer. They are both in good shape. The one I have currently listed is in the FS section here. We could work out a deal.
Kjellis
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I got to play a little with the A1 and the A9III with the 300/2.8 and 600/4 a couple of weeks ago. Great gear for sure!
What striked me was that the ergonomics and handling of the A9III felt so much better than the A1. Both cameras was without a grip, so perhaps adding a grip could help? Though I really liked how the A9III felt in my hands.
I liked the Sony gear so much that I was almost tempted to change from Nikon
I agree about the body. I don’t have theA9 3 but I do have the A7RV, which is basically the same body. It’s just a tiny bit bigger but enough to make a real difference. I really like the screen design as well, but I’m not quite sure it’s as rugged as the A1 screen design but only time would tell.I got to play a little with the A1 and the A9III with the 300/2.8 and 600/4 a couple of weeks ago. Great gear for sure!
What striked me was that the ergonomics and handling of the A9III felt so much better than the A1. Both cameras was without a grip, so perhaps adding a grip could help? Though I really liked how the A9III felt in my hands.
I liked the Sony gear so much that I was almost tempted to change from Nikon
arbitrage
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Keep in mind that the A9III made some major changes to the body design over the A7RV. Grip size and shape, shutter button angulation, REC button moved further away from EVF and top buttons (C1/C2) redesign. (when referencing the REC button it is labeled C1 on the A7RV) I've owned both cameras and the A7RV had some minor improvements over the A1 (excepting the new LCD) like better button feel and bit better placement of the REC button but the A9III made the most significant changes we've seen in a long while with Sony cameras.
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I was thinking it was basically the same minus the c3. I do really like the feel of the RV. I do hope they keep the body size small going forward, though that’s one of the things I like the best about Sony.
No a grip wouldn’t have helped the a1. I have both and do have grips I’m a big dude and like a gripped body but I 100% agree the a9III ergonomics are much better and the best feeling camera I’ve ever owned.I got to play a little with the A1 and the A9III with the 300/2.8 and 600/4 a couple of weeks ago. Great gear for sure!
What striked me was that the ergonomics and handling of the A9III felt so much better than the A1. Both cameras was without a grip, so perhaps adding a grip could help? Though I really liked how the A9III felt in my hands.
I liked the Sony gear so much that I was almost tempted to change from Nikon
It’s one reason I’m in on buying the new one as I’m planning on keeping my a9III. I’ve been using it more than my a1’s since I got it. The af alone is worth it. Pair the af and new body to the 50MP sensor of the a1 and it’s a win for me. Anything else is a bonus.
Yup! The new body is about as perfect as you can get. It’s another reason people saying the new a1 will have the old body can’t be right. Sony is very focused on the pro and having common design, feel and menus is important to them. Sony has been making big advancements in bringing commonality to its most recent cameras and lenses.
I honestly still like both styles and even think the A6700 is very comfortable. IMO that’s probably my top like about the Sony bodies.
arbitrage
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Sony also made some big improvements to the BG with the A9III. Adding the 2nd wheel.
I'm only comfortable holding Sony cameras with a BG. It takes a camera as big as a Z8 for me to think about going without a grip when using big lenses.
I'm only comfortable holding Sony cameras with a BG. It takes a camera as big as a Z8 for me to think about going without a grip when using big lenses.
SAR just posted that now they think the price is going to be about the same as the current a1 and shipping Dec.
I guess we'll know soon enough
I guess we'll know soon enough