Sony A1-2

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The buffer is a second and a half or so shooting 120fps with .3 second precapture in lossless raw. Compressed raw I assume would extend that buffer a little bit and most jpeg file sizes are significantly longer.
However at 60 fps the buffer is similar to the a1 at 30 fps. The a9III at 20fps is essentially limitless.
Would you buy the A1II if it is "only" 30FPS but does have precapture? Or would you just stick with A1 and A9III combo?
 
But if we look at the A9III it is able to do 24MP at 120FPS and can do that in all the RAW formats. Unlike A1 that can only do 30FPS in the smallest (Lossy) Compressed RAW mode.
A1 files are ~2x the size of A9III files. I don't see any reason the A1II couldn't do 60FPS. Even if that was limited to (Lossy) Compressed RAW I'm good with that. I've always had to shoot in Compressed as all my Sony cameras A9/A9II/A1 have needed Compressed to shoot the max FPS. A9III was the first to buck that trend.
When the A1 was new and everyone hungry for chip specs, the chip was reported to have a readout rate of 250fps@14bit, which is a bit inaccurate. And a frame rate (time for full capture plus unloading from chip) of 44fps. Which has me scratching my head whether 60fps isn't overly optimistic. The 120fps in video are a valid point, but are scanned and processed in a different way. And also use a much lower bit rate. And a lower readout rate, too, as measurable in the rate of shearing due to movement in resulting video which is much slower than for stills. So I'd guess something like 40fps for full IQ seems more likely than 60fps.
 
If it can do video at 120fps already I don’t think the sensor is the hold up.
One other thing you’re not taking it into consideration either, is during video, you’re shooting basically JPEG‘s not raw full frame files. Another thing I can tell you with the A1 body being that small heat dissipation is also going to be an issue if you have the current A1 out in temperatures greater than 90°, especially on humid days, if you shoot 60 or 120 frames per second video it will not even in the max temperature setting go only 4 to 5 minutes without heating up and shutting down. Both A1 bodies I have owned performed exactly the same. I do a ton of video so I can’t imagine how hot the camera would get if you’re shooting 60 frames per second raw.
 
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Would you buy the A1II if it is "only" 30FPS but does have precapture? Or would you just stick with A1 and A9III combo?
I do plan on upgrading one a1 and keep the a9III when I want more speed. This is assuming the buffer or fps of the a1 is lower than 60FPS. I do plan on selling both a1’s and will be listing this week and just shoot the a9III until the new a1 ships. I use my a9III much more than my a1’s now. I pretty much only use the a1 when I need the higher MP. I’ve printed a9III files as big as my printer can do at 16x20 and they look fantastic!
 
I do plan on upgrading one a1 and keep the a9III when I want more speed. This is assuming the buffer or fps of the a1 is lower than 60FPS. I do plan on selling both a1’s and will be listing this week and just shoot the a9III until the new a1 ships. I use my a9III much more than my a1’s now. I pretty much only use the a1 when I need the higher MP. I’ve printed a9III files as big as my printer can do at 16x20 and they look fantastic!
I usually print Din-A2, which is about the same size (16 13⁄24 × 23 3⁄8 in). I find that printing images all the way down to 16MP is apparently good enough for me. But that is after crop. It is rare that I fill the frame with BIF action. And even if could position myself that close, I usually can't track precise enough and would clip wings on most frames. Hence why I rather prefer to crop from 50MP. For 50MP I can crop away up to 43% of the image width, for 24MP that is only 18%.
 
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But if we look at the A9III it is able to do 24MP at 120FPS and can do that in all the RAW formats. Unlike A1 that can only do 30FPS in the smallest (Lossy) Compressed RAW mode.
A1 files are ~2x the size of A9III files. I don't see any reason the A1II couldn't do 60FPS. Even if that was limited to (Lossy) Compressed RAW I'm good with that. I've always had to shoot in Compressed as all my Sony cameras A9/A9II/A1 have needed Compressed to shoot the max FPS. A9III was the first to buck that trend.
This makes complete sense, if the A9iii can do 120. The A1ii would be able to do 60 FPS.
Some of the rumours are just ridiculous.. Remember when they first said it would not have the A9iii body design? Again it didn't make any sense. And it's the same with the frame rate now... Don't worry it will be more than 30, most likely 60. And then what the point of the new CF 4.0 cards?
 
I wouldn’t believe the leaks. We will know everything on the 19th. To me it’s worth the upgrade if it gets the a9III af. I would just for the bug eye af with the 50MP sensor.
Agree 100%. I've often been on the other side of this, where I knew what was coming and watched all the speculation and rumors. It's amazing how often the rumors were way off base.
 
Same here! If this is true, I feel like Nikon is going to get ahead in this game with a future Z9ii.
Yeah, that sounds like a big old dud to me and that’s just being honest. I’m seriously considering snatching up a mint used first generation A1 from someone that buys one of these lol
 
You're tempting me lol. Is the shutter count extremely high? Any damage cosmetically?
The first one I’ve posted has a shutter count of 1246. I haven’t checked the other one but the other one is about a year newer. They are both in good shape. The one I have currently listed is in the FS section here. We could work out a deal.
 
I wouldn’t believe the leaks. We will know everything on the 19th. To me it’s worth the upgrade if it gets the a9III af. I would just for the bug eye af with the 50MP sensor.
I got to play a little with the A1 and the A9III with the 300/2.8 and 600/4 a couple of weeks ago. Great gear for sure!
What striked me was that the ergonomics and handling of the A9III felt so much better than the A1. Both cameras was without a grip, so perhaps adding a grip could help? Though I really liked how the A9III felt in my hands.
I liked the Sony gear so much that I was almost tempted to change from Nikon 😉
 
I got to play a little with the A1 and the A9III with the 300/2.8 and 600/4 a couple of weeks ago. Great gear for sure!
What striked me was that the ergonomics and handling of the A9III felt so much better than the A1. Both cameras was without a grip, so perhaps adding a grip could help? Though I really liked how the A9III felt in my hands.
I liked the Sony gear so much that I was almost tempted to change from Nikon 😉
I agree about the body. I don’t have theA9 3 but I do have the A7RV, which is basically the same body. It’s just a tiny bit bigger but enough to make a real difference. I really like the screen design as well, but I’m not quite sure it’s as rugged as the A1 screen design but only time would tell.
 
I agree about the body. I don’t have theA9 3 but I do have the A7RV, which is basically the same body. It’s just a tiny bit bigger but enough to make a real difference. I really like the screen design as well, but I’m not quite sure it’s as rugged as the A1 screen design but only time would tell.
Keep in mind that the A9III made some major changes to the body design over the A7RV. Grip size and shape, shutter button angulation, REC button moved further away from EVF and top buttons (C1/C2) redesign. (when referencing the REC button it is labeled C1 on the A7RV) I've owned both cameras and the A7RV had some minor improvements over the A1 (excepting the new LCD) like better button feel and bit better placement of the REC button but the A9III made the most significant changes we've seen in a long while with Sony cameras.


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Keep in mind that the A9III made some major changes to the body design over the A7RV. Grip size and shape, shutter button angulation, REC button moved further away from EVF and top buttons (C1/C2) redesign. (when referencing the REC button it is labeled C1 on the A7RV) I've owned both cameras and the A7RV had some minor improvements over the A1 (excepting the new LCD) like better button feel and bit better placement of the REC button but the A9III made the most significant changes we've seen in a long while with Sony cameras.


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I was thinking it was basically the same minus the c3. I do really like the feel of the RV. I do hope they keep the body size small going forward, though that’s one of the things I like the best about Sony.
 
I got to play a little with the A1 and the A9III with the 300/2.8 and 600/4 a couple of weeks ago. Great gear for sure!
What striked me was that the ergonomics and handling of the A9III felt so much better than the A1. Both cameras was without a grip, so perhaps adding a grip could help? Though I really liked how the A9III felt in my hands.
I liked the Sony gear so much that I was almost tempted to change from Nikon 😉
No a grip wouldn’t have helped the a1. I have both and do have grips I’m a big dude and like a gripped body but I 100% agree the a9III ergonomics are much better and the best feeling camera I’ve ever owned.
It’s one reason I’m in on buying the new one as I’m planning on keeping my a9III. I’ve been using it more than my a1’s since I got it. The af alone is worth it. Pair the af and new body to the 50MP sensor of the a1 and it’s a win for me. Anything else is a bonus.
 
Keep in mind that the A9III made some major changes to the body design over the A7RV. Grip size and shape, shutter button angulation, REC button moved further away from EVF and top buttons (C1/C2) redesign. (when referencing the REC button it is labeled C1 on the A7RV) I've owned both cameras and the A7RV had some minor improvements over the A1 (excepting the new LCD) like better button feel and bit better placement of the REC button but the A9III made the most significant changes we've seen in a long while with Sony cameras.


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Yup! The new body is about as perfect as you can get. It’s another reason people saying the new a1 will have the old body can’t be right. Sony is very focused on the pro and having common design, feel and menus is important to them. Sony has been making big advancements in bringing commonality to its most recent cameras and lenses.
 
Yup! The new body is about as perfect as you can get. It’s another reason people saying the new a1 will have the old body can’t be right. Sony is very focused on the pro and having common design, feel and menus is important to them. Sony has been making big advancements in bringing commonality to its most recent cameras and lenses.
I honestly still like both styles and even think the A6700 is very comfortable. IMO that’s probably my top like about the Sony bodies.
 
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