fulltimewanderer
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Like several above standing pat with my D4, D500, and D850 they still do what I need and enjoy. What the future brings who knows.
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Why does it have to solve a problem? Maybe it will just be nice to have all the whistles and bells. You only get so many summers....
It doesn't of course. But Whiskeyman asked it in the context of evaluating choices. If you're weighing options, understanding the problem you are trying to solve and how the gear solves or doesn't solve that problem helps with making the "best" choice.
But totally, it's perfectly fine to do something just because you want to.
I guess I’d ask myself what images will the Z9 allow you to capture that your current camera can’t. I’d also ask myself what subjects am I not capturing or not capturing with the artistic flare that the 200mm will give you. Weigh what is most important to you today and spend your money on that.
I don't have a dog in this hunt either since the Z9 ain't for me…not interested in a body with a built in grip. But even through it hasn't shipped yet…enough smart people have used pre prod models that any show stoppers would have shown up. There's a lot to be said for getting glass over body if only one is possible…but in today's rapid shift to the Z mount I would hesitate to buy any F mount glass except the 500PF that I already have…I also have the Z 70-200/2.8 and it's pretty darned out standing and while it isn't f2 it's 2.8 which is getting pretty close bokeh wise. Since I got my Z7II…the only F mount lens I've used is the 500PF…everything else is sitting in the 'hardly ever used' bag in the closet.I'm on my preferred camera store's list to purchase a Z9, and was told that they initially ordered enough to fulfill to where I am on the list.
But now I'm having second thoughts about purchasing it; reasoning that I'd be better off to wait and see if there are any issues with the Z9 found after its release. (I'm also thinking that I'd be better off spending the money I have for the Z9 on the 200mm f2 that I've yearned for the past few years.)
Is there anyone else here thinking the same as I am about the Z9?
I have the same concern - after waiting for the Z8 for so long, I just got desperate.I'm on my preferred camera store's list to purchase a Z9, and was told that they initially ordered enough to fulfill to where I am on the list.
But now I'm having second thoughts about purchasing it; reasoning that I'd be better off to wait and see if there are any issues with the Z9 found after its release. (I'm also thinking that I'd be better off spending the money I have for the Z9 on the 200mm f2 that I've yearned for the past few years.)
Is there anyone else here thinking the same as I am about the Z9?
You make a very good point about purchasing F-Mount lenses, Neil. At least Nikon was good enough to design and build the FTZ converters for those of us who have full F-Mount lens stables.I don't have a dog in this hunt either since the Z9 ain't for me…not interested in a body with a built in grip. But even through it hasn't shipped yet…enough smart people have used pre prod models that any show stoppers would have shown up. There's a lot to be said for getting glass over body if only one is possible…but in today's rapid shift to the Z mount I would hesitate to buy any F mount glass except the 500PF that I already have…I also have the Z 70-200/2.8 and it's pretty darned out standing and while it isn't f2 it's 2.8 which is getting pretty close bokeh wise. Since I got my Z7II…the only F mount lens I've used is the 500PF…everything else is sitting in the 'hardly ever used' bag in the closet.
No problem keep on the list and when you have it and used it if you don't like it then sell it. I reckon you will sell it for at least what you paid if not a little more as their are many people who want one and it will be several months before all orders are fulfilled.I'm on my preferred camera store's list to purchase a Z9, and was told that they initially ordered enough to fulfill to where I am on the list.
But now I'm having second thoughts about purchasing it; reasoning that I'd be better off to wait and see if there are any issues with the Z9 found after its release. (I'm also thinking that I'd be better off spending the money I have for the Z9 on the 200mm f2 that I've yearned for the past few years.)
Is there anyone else here thinking the same as I am about the Z9?
I called my local store and they couldnt tell me how many they were getting or when they were getting them either. Waiting exitedly . I'm number 11 of 19 though..hoping others here have second thoughts and move me up the list !My place in the store's order list is very good, from what I was told. The only question that they can't answer is how many copies of the camera thay will receive initially. They've been a high-volume Nikon store for a long time, and I'm a camera customer of theirs since 1979, so I can expect them to be trustworthy when dealing with them. Even so, there is no certainty about when my camera will arrive. I could purchase both Z9 and the 200 F2, but that would put a dent into any future Z-Mount lenses I could buy.
Hi Hut2. Why does it have to solve a problem? Because after 30 years in business my studio has grown full of many "tools" that were bought for "bells and whistles" only to now take up space. For my paid jobs I only shoot manual and for wildlife I use Auto ISO. I learned a number of years ago to put most of my business money into lighting. Cameras are just black boxes that click. Having said that, the reason I kept updating bodies has been for autofocus improvements. The D800's autofocus in low light was disappointing, the 810 was better and the D850 has solved most of the focus problems. Now having said that, I'm shooting more and more of my commercial work in a more energetic, editorial approach...the Z9's eye autofocus may be a welcome "whistle/bell"?
Oh well, Thom Hogan has just told off Nikon about the poor labelling of Mode/Type choices in the Z camera menus. And then there some features still MIA from the Z9: horror of horrors, the Z9 does not have a Pre-Record function.
...and Z9 shoots at 30fps but only JPG, not RAW format....
there is no perfect camera on the market, nor pending.
Oh well, Thom Hogan has just told off Nikon about the poor labelling of Mode/Type choices in the Z camera menus. And then there some features still MIA from the Z9: horror of horrors, the Z9 does not have a Pre-Record function.
...and Z9 shoots at 30fps but only JPG, not RAW format....
there is no perfect camera on the market, nor pending.
I've been on hold with going mirrorless due to the lens issue and the poor action related AF of Z bodies in general but particularly with adapted F mount glass. I toyed with the idea of getting a Sony A1 and 200-600mm to see how that went. Even when Z9 was announced I was up in the air assuming a swap of lens inventory would be necessary. But now there's been enough info that has come out to show that the adapted F mount glass isn't/hasn't been the problem with AF performance on Z bodies. It's the bodies themselves. Looks like the Z9 does just fine on F mount glass. Realistically even when the new 400mm and 600mm come out I know I'll never allow myself to buy one. But with a used 600E as a viable option the Z9 is looking a lot more enticing.... in today's rapid shift to the Z mount I would hesitate to buy any F mount glass except the 500PF that I already have….
Already unloaded my D6 and D500 now using D850 waiting for Z9. Right now plan on using 850 for second body but will see how it goes with the Z9 ... 850 could get replaced.If it ends up being all it's cracked up to be, I'm unloading my D6 and D850 for a second one.
Already unloaded my D6 and D500 now using D850 waiting for Z9. Right now plan on using 850 for second body but will see how it goes with the Z9 ... 850 could get replaced.
NIKON 120-300 zoom B and H ........................ USD $9,496.95 What The Hell !!!!!!!!!! and its not a perfect lens............
yes besides +ve reviews by Brad Hill and others, Roger Cicala and Co compared mtf performance - at 300 the f2.8 zoom outperforms the 300 f2.8G VRIIBut it’s probably the most perfect 120-300 2.8
But it’s probably the most perfect 120-300 2.8
I agree with most of what you say regarding complexity, cost, etc. But the above statement is a common misconception. For zoom lenses that change length(and therefore internal volume) when zoomed it is true that air must be displaced/replaced as they zoom. For for internal zoom lenses there is no air exchange. That's one of the advantages of the internal zoom is better weather sealing. In order for them to "pump" air there would have to be some method of seal between the moving element and lens barrel to act like piston rings. If you look at the images in the referenced article you can clearly see the (twisted)grooves in the barrel that provide an open path for air to move from one side to the other of the moving lens group. So there is internal air movement rather than air displacement/replacement that is necessary if the length/volume of the barrel changes when zooming....Its easy to get dust in the lens as it pumps/sucks air...
.... The z9 will last me the rest of my shooting life, ...