Anjin San
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Yeh…they are going to be huge files. It isn‘t going to be a feature used a lot…but in some situations it is a good tool.
Nikon Z8 Firmware 2.0 Released
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Waiting for them to implement it in the Z9, although there are questions whether the IBIS will allow it. I have one seascape in mind that I want to pano and this feature would make it that much more spectacular.
Good question. I had been experimenting with shutter-button AF, using AF-ON for handoff to 3D. After some short practice today on the neighborhood trail, I'm returning to BBAF. The bird subject recognition seems greatly improved, ...and I just couldn't get used to having shutter button focus. I'm not yet sure what I will assign to F1 and F2 buttons.
Anjin San
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They’ve said before that the IBIS in both bodies is the same…and that the Z8 is essentially a gripless Z9 with the sacrifices that causes…so we should see this in the Z9 next update…along with something new that unless hardware or something else prevents it will be in the next Z8 update. Unless they sync the release schedules…they’re going to continue to leap frog each other. I see the higher MP pixel shift as useful…sometimes…but the 4 and 8 shot versions at same resolution still give a better image according to Nikon. The question is whether the skills of the user and the output medium actually allow any of that ‘better’ to actually be seen by the end viewer…or whether it’s just a bragging rights thing. My guess is that it won’t be a widely used feature for most of us except in limited situations.
marc
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John Navitsky
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the reality is neither may get itJust as long as RAW Pre- capture is also included.
and yes, i want that feature
marc
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Not sure why it's not possible, granted the power of Expeed 7.
John Navitsky
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given how little we know about the way it’s organized internally, it’s hard to say
i do suspect the 120fps support is leveraging the evf data stream however and that’s why it’s lower resolution. i also suspect there is built in jpg encoder in that stream such that writing 120fps to the evf is basically the same as writing 120fps to the card
and i’m guessing there are challenges to put a raw encoder in the data stream that can keep up
I did a little "test" on the Zf. Solid, heavy tripod, no wind. First time it failed due to a tremor...
marc
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I hear you.....buy sincerely hope we get a nice surprise soon. I leave for Kenya next month.
"Cycle AF Area" toggle is welcome. Does a similar "Cycle AF Subject Dectection" toggle button assignment exist?
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There are numerous controls, buttons, etc that Cycle AF can be assigned to.
Is it possible to set a button to cycle subject detection modes?
I’m thinking being able to switch quickly between bird and animal would be useful.
I’m thinking being able to switch quickly between bird and animal would be useful.
Bennvdm
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Only possible with setting recall shooting functions hold to say animal, assign to button. That will override bird if that is your normal mode and revert back to bird when pressed again. I have rsf set to disable subject detection, but can also be used in similar way to switch between bird and animal.
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Any ideas what size files are generated with pixel shift?
Edit: apparently 180MP files
Edit: apparently 180MP files
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"Only possible with setting recall shooting functions hold to say animal, assign to button. That will override bird if normal mode and revert back to animal when pressed again. I have rsf set to disable detection, but can also be used in similar way to switch between bird and animal."
Thanks. I've set that and it works for me. Subject detection icon changes in viewfinder
Thanks. I've set that and it works for me. Subject detection icon changes in viewfinder
Asafser
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Just be aware that the camera will revert to the original subject detection mode when :
- if you hit your playback button to review your shots
- if the camera enters standby mode
- if you press the ' i ' button
and maybe in similar other instances
I'm not Steve so I'll look forward to his answer but I'm a bit confused with your handoff question. Focus Handoff cannot occur from an AF Area Mode override button. Focus handoff can only occur if your'e using the cameras base AF mode (ie, the focus mode set by the AF Area mode that is set with the Focus mode button on the left side of the camera). This new Cycle AF mode does change the camera's base AF mode and therefore will support focus handoff. I personally find this more useful than any Focus Area override mode.
In my one setup I've assigned Fn1 to Cycle AF. I'm still considering leaving Fn2 set to SP + AF On for a couple of reasons; 1) SP does not support focus handoff so it can stay an override. 2) Single Point disables SD. 3) By leaving SP + AF On assinded to Fn2 I can take it out of the Cycle AF list, thus leaving only those focus modes I use most (the Wide Area X modes) and therefore have one less item to cycle thru. That said, I may end up using Fn2 for something else, still think it out...
As to if Handoff is still useful with the AF improvements, that's an interesting question...
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I believe Steve stated earlier that handoff does not occur with the Cycle AF Area mode selection approach. Post #73
Will pixel shift work handheld or only on a tripod?
Will pixel shift work with astrophotography/starlight view mode?
Will pixel shift work with exposure bracketing?
Will pixel shift help with low light/high iso situations?
How well does pixel shift work with moving subjects?
And just in case you want to max your buffer, will pixel shift work with focus shift?
These are more curiosities, I always thought pixel shift was a clever idea on MFT (OM Systems) and wondered if it would make it's way to full frame and just trying to think of artistic ways to use this feature.
Will pixel shift work with astrophotography/starlight view mode?
Will pixel shift work with exposure bracketing?
Will pixel shift help with low light/high iso situations?
How well does pixel shift work with moving subjects?
And just in case you want to max your buffer, will pixel shift work with focus shift?
These are more curiosities, I always thought pixel shift was a clever idea on MFT (OM Systems) and wondered if it would make it's way to full frame and just trying to think of artistic ways to use this feature.
Bennvdm
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Thanks, I only knew of the power off issue, as I have not used it much to turn off subject detection yet.
This is not discussed in Thom Hogan Z8 book.
Steve lists it under use case 2 and add exposure comp changes and fx/dx area switches to your list.
@Steve - Maybe consider moving it to main discussion of RSF in Z8 book as is major drawback for some uses.
My issue was more with athletics where it got stuck to the wrong runner and would want to AF on lead runner. Found dynamic small worked better, so swicthed af modes
Cameron T
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Yes, probably not, not as far as I know, no, horribly, I don't think those features combine either.
It's a gimmick for very few situations (basically only working off a tripod with a non moving subject).
Take a look at Nikon’s Technical Guide to Pixel Shift Shooting on the Z8. I found it in the Z8 manuals sections of the Nikon USA website.
I think the short answer to a couple of the questions is that you should use a tripod and it does not work with moving subjects.
Well, I dunno. It works the same for me whether I set Area Mode using Focus mode button on the left side of the camera or using the Cycle AF feature. The Cycle AF feature does change the camera base AF mode so they should behave the same, and for me they do.