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Nikon Z8
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Doomrider74
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Personally, I'd like one camera to replace both my D500 and D810: The former I use for wildlife (90% of my photography) and the latter I use for landscapes. Yes. I'm sure the Z9 could do this, but I can't afford one, and the DX resolution is no better than the D500, so I'm kinda hoping the Z8 will be similar to the Sony A7Rv, and around the same price, or a bit cheaper. I'd also like the 200-600 to replace my 200-500. If neither of these thing materialize, I might jump to Sony.
I have both Z9 & A1.I would prefer it to be a mini A1 (with the same as A! but with A1's still photos feature set ) rather than a mini Z9,The customisation of A1 is what makes it a great caemra (apart its BIF capabilities) .I sincerly hope Nikon understands that & follow the lead
I just bough a Z 400 4.5 since i found 500 PF is not doing justice to Z9.Z9 does excel in Videos & Sony has no answer to Nikons Z lens line up
I just bough a Z 400 4.5 since i found 500 PF is not doing justice to Z9.Z9 does excel in Videos & Sony has no answer to Nikons Z lens line up
raptor photo
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Please no, just give us a 3000 range camera like the Z7ii and D850.
fcotterill
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Good to read RSF listed as a key feature of these cameras, and even better if this gets expanded options
And hopefully PreCapture in RAW please....
Unfortunate how Nikon still persists with SD cards in high performance cameras, many of us left these behind some years ago.
There's no specific mention of a vertical grip for ENEL18d, which will be needed, as it is in a D850. As these rumoured lists stand, there's no stand out features distinguishing Z8 from Z9. Besides the lower price.... But time will reveal all...
Nevertheless this camera is a powerhouse, and particularly attractive at the rumoured price, which should drop within a year.
And hopefully PreCapture in RAW please....
Unfortunate how Nikon still persists with SD cards in high performance cameras, many of us left these behind some years ago.
There's no specific mention of a vertical grip for ENEL18d, which will be needed, as it is in a D850. As these rumoured lists stand, there's no stand out features distinguishing Z8 from Z9. Besides the lower price.... But time will reveal all...
Nevertheless this camera is a powerhouse, and particularly attractive at the rumoured price, which should drop within a year.
BlackRockArt
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This is the vastely underated battery life, in the real world scenario, Nikon, Sony & Canon cameras get 1000 ~ 2000 shots easily.
When it comes to the battery life, the mirrorless camera has the advantage by design: it does not need to drive up the mirror swing, also, there is no point in playing review constantly.
It puzzles me why the stated-battery life is so low.
Oliver
fcotterill
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CIPA statistics report on standard tests that drive the camera extra hard.
In contrast, during real world usage, a Z9 gets out several thousand images, despite its CIPA rating of a paltry 700 of the ENEL18d
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In contrast, during real world usage, a Z9 gets out several thousand images, despite its CIPA rating of a paltry 700 of the ENEL18d
What is battery CIPA?
Battery life (CIPA): what does it mean? Find the definition of the term, including a detailed explanation and examples.
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Krümelkraft
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Actually, the mirrorless camera has the drawback by design: It needs to process and display live view images constantly as long as you are using the viewfinder.
That is what is drawing a lot of battery and why rated battery life is so low compared to DSLRs.
However, it can be questioned if CIPA battery life measurements protocol is still realistic for the use of mirrorless cameras.
Of course, it very much depends on what you are doing with the (mirrorless) camera. You can shoot thousands of images in burst mode, while a landscape photographer spending hours of composing may end up with an empty battery before one single shot was taken.
BlackRockArt
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Ditto.CIPA statistics report on standard tests that drive the camera extra hard.
In contrast, during real world usage, a Z9 gets out several thousand images, despite its CIPA rating of a paltry 700 of the ENEL18d
What is battery CIPA?
Battery life (CIPA): what does it mean? Find the definition of the term, including a detailed explanation and examples.
For example, the CIPA rated Sony A7R II has a rate between 290~ 340 shots, I get 500 shots regularly; the FZ100 battery has 480~ 650 shots CIPA rating, in real world usage, I get 1500 ~ 2000 shots, (not in bursting shot mode).
It comes down to the shooting style & particular genre, I guess.
Oliver
StefanSC
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I'm kinda of in the same boat. I'd like something to upgrade my D500 and D810 and also would like a better wildlife lens. While I could get a Z9, it would be a bit of a stretch and I'll also need more CFExpress cards and another battery so that will add extra expense and I won't have any budget for a lens. And a 6000 euros camera and 2000-3000 for a lens is an impossible sell to the family's CFO
.A Z8 with those specs on the other hand at around 4500 euros that will allow me to still use the fast SD cards I have and the 4 EN-EL15s I already have (even though I'll get less shots out of them) means that I might just about swing both it and a used 500mm PF or the new 200-600mm from Nikon...
So I for one am quite excited by the Z8 specs
.My Panasonic G9 is rated for 400 shots by CIPA. If I am shooting wildlife or field macro (short controlled bursts) I will easily get 2 or even 3 times that number of shots with a single charge. If I am shooting landscape or studio, slow and methodical, I often get under 200 shots on a single charge.
I think a better metric for battery life of mirrorless cameras is hours of on time, not shots taken on a charge.
Ado Wolf
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It is interesting to see how different individuals wish the Z8 to be their wish-camera:
- a baby Z9 (smaller and cheaper)
- a jack of all trades (D850 replacement)
- a professional DX body (D500 replacement)
- a lowlight Monster (D6 replacement)
- a Megapixel Monster
- among other wishes..
In a different Thread, it seems the Z9 is losing against the Sony A1 (mainly due to AF performance and customization.. and partially to weight and delivery time)
According to the rumors, Z8 has same "old" sensor as Z9 and slightly improved AF (for distant objects)..
If we take these 3 points into account.. we can safely guess that the Z8 will not be as popular as Nikon seems to believe. I have a feeling Nikon will disappoint a considerable amount of users.. and more Nikon bashing is to be expected..
for me personally.. I am one of the D500 replacement users.. Z7 is great for Landscape.. Z9 for Wildlife (but for me it's the price and weight).. let's see what is hidden behind door number 8.
- a baby Z9 (smaller and cheaper)
- a jack of all trades (D850 replacement)
- a professional DX body (D500 replacement)
- a lowlight Monster (D6 replacement)
- a Megapixel Monster
- among other wishes..
In a different Thread, it seems the Z9 is losing against the Sony A1 (mainly due to AF performance and customization.. and partially to weight and delivery time)
According to the rumors, Z8 has same "old" sensor as Z9 and slightly improved AF (for distant objects)..
If we take these 3 points into account.. we can safely guess that the Z8 will not be as popular as Nikon seems to believe. I have a feeling Nikon will disappoint a considerable amount of users.. and more Nikon bashing is to be expected..
for me personally.. I am one of the D500 replacement users.. Z7 is great for Landscape.. Z9 for Wildlife (but for me it's the price and weight).. let's see what is hidden behind door number 8.
If it is a mini A1 rather than a mini Z9 it would be a big hit ( I have both A1 & Z9 ) . Couloirs this with excellent Z telephoto lenses , Sony will be left far behind
( I just bought a 400 F 4.5 for my Z9 and am impressed)
Krümelkraft
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I wonder what "improved" means in this context. Improved compared to what? Better than Z9? Better than Z6?
Unless there is a new Expeed xy processor, AF capability should only depend on software.
If there is improvement firmwarewise, then we can expect the same for the Z9.
I bet we will get a firmware update for the Z9 in the same moment the Z8 appears.
The Z9 already has a very good AF for distant objects - so good that it even ignores close objects
abc123brian
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I think the difference in AF is 95% in ease of use/implementation than actual improvement. The AF on the Z9 is excellent, possibly just as good or better in situations, but not as simple to understand or operate. If they can figure that part out, it should be received better than it is currently.
MatthewK
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This camera is going to be perfect paired w/ the 400 4.5.
For the D-500/500pf and the D-500/200-500 crowd, is a Z-8 @ 2+ pounds the answer? Either camera gives you 750mm effective reach in a 6-7# combined weight and a price below $5000. I agree that those specs are not what a professional photographer or even a super serious entheusist would choose but it is a good sweet spot for and decent amature that likes to go take birds and wildlife picures in interesting natural locations.
How does the Z-8 fit in?
How about a Z-8/Z 100-400 zoom and a TC-2.0?. The lens is $2400, the Z TC is $600 and lets say the body is $4000. That is a 5.8-6.0 rig for $7000, a bit high but maybe worth the stretch. We don't know how it will balance. However, we could put an 800PF prime on it for a 7.2- 7.4 # rig @ about $10,400 and get better pictures when at the 800mm reach. Or we can ditch the TC and shoot in DX mode saving $600 and .6# for a $6400 combo at about 5.2-5.4# but an effective reach of 600mm.
Compare that with a Sony A1/200-600zoom and a TC 1.4. That bdy is $6500, lens $1900 and TC $550 for a total of almost $9000 for a 6.7# rig. I saw this rig in action and it looked serious front heavy. We could put a $13K 600mm on it but that and $6500 camera gets us way out of our price range but definitely great pictures.
So my conclusion is that the Z-8 is a very good alternative either in the zoom or prime configuration but really needs a stretching of the wallet as do the A1 combo. In terms of price, we are nowhere near the $5000 I paid for my D-500/500pf and the 200-500 zoom combo is currently less than $3K.
So what are my alternatives?
Canon R-7/100-500. One shouldnt complain about a 32MP cropped sensor in a 4.5# combo at $4100. but one can complain about a non-stacked sensor and rolling shutter while carrying around that much heavier wallet.
OM Systems OM-1 with either a 100-400 or 150-400 zoom. The problem here is the 20MP 2.0 Cropped sensor but the sensor is BSI Stached. With the 100-400 the rig is cheap ($3400) and light, below 4# and with the 150-400 it is not so light (6#) and not so cheap ($9500).
Fuji X-H2S/200-600. Ah, a 26MP BSI Stacked1.4 crop sensor and a 200-600 lens @ $4300. Is this not the D-500 replacement? Well Thom Hogan says "almost but not quite". It seems that dispite multiple firmware updates, the AF and subject ID is not up to the other choices.
Tom
How does the Z-8 fit in?
How about a Z-8/Z 100-400 zoom and a TC-2.0?. The lens is $2400, the Z TC is $600 and lets say the body is $4000. That is a 5.8-6.0 rig for $7000, a bit high but maybe worth the stretch. We don't know how it will balance. However, we could put an 800PF prime on it for a 7.2- 7.4 # rig @ about $10,400 and get better pictures when at the 800mm reach. Or we can ditch the TC and shoot in DX mode saving $600 and .6# for a $6400 combo at about 5.2-5.4# but an effective reach of 600mm.
Compare that with a Sony A1/200-600zoom and a TC 1.4. That bdy is $6500, lens $1900 and TC $550 for a total of almost $9000 for a 6.7# rig. I saw this rig in action and it looked serious front heavy. We could put a $13K 600mm on it but that and $6500 camera gets us way out of our price range but definitely great pictures.
So my conclusion is that the Z-8 is a very good alternative either in the zoom or prime configuration but really needs a stretching of the wallet as do the A1 combo. In terms of price, we are nowhere near the $5000 I paid for my D-500/500pf and the 200-500 zoom combo is currently less than $3K.
So what are my alternatives?
Canon R-7/100-500. One shouldnt complain about a 32MP cropped sensor in a 4.5# combo at $4100. but one can complain about a non-stacked sensor and rolling shutter while carrying around that much heavier wallet.
OM Systems OM-1 with either a 100-400 or 150-400 zoom. The problem here is the 20MP 2.0 Cropped sensor but the sensor is BSI Stached. With the 100-400 the rig is cheap ($3400) and light, below 4# and with the 150-400 it is not so light (6#) and not so cheap ($9500).
Fuji X-H2S/200-600. Ah, a 26MP BSI Stacked1.4 crop sensor and a 200-600 lens @ $4300. Is this not the D-500 replacement? Well Thom Hogan says "almost but not quite". It seems that dispite multiple firmware updates, the AF and subject ID is not up to the other choices.
Tom
I think it will be the answer for me. (I'm a D500/500pf user). I've put a deposit down at the local camera store, and I'm hoping the Z8 is close to what the rumors say. As for glass, I'll stick with the 500pf for birds for a while, and get a 24-120 for general use. I'll keep the D500 as a backup.
John Navitsky
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I'm guessing we'll see a powerhouse DX at some point, but nothing rumors it to be soon. Not that the rumors mean anything.
I think, yah, the Z8 (if rumors are correct) could cover this area, but at a large price tag tax. If that's worth it to you is really personal.
While I have no personal experience, I have friends shooting dog sports with the X-H2S and they seem very happy and dog sports are VERY demanding of the AF system. From what I've read, its AF isn't as good as the top Sony/Canon/Nikon bodies, however their real world use suggests it's at least pretty good.
I think, yah, the Z8 (if rumors are correct) could cover this area, but at a large price tag tax. If that's worth it to you is really personal.
While I have no personal experience, I have friends shooting dog sports with the X-H2S and they seem very happy and dog sports are VERY demanding of the AF system. From what I've read, its AF isn't as good as the top Sony/Canon/Nikon bodies, however their real world use suggests it's at least pretty good.
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Doomrider74
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I am in the D500/200-500 bracket.
I think you are missing the Sony AR7v, which might be a better comparison to what most are expecting the Z8 to be.
Personally, I'm looking for that next step to take with my gear. It started off by just planning to go from the 200-500 to the 500 pf, but then I started thinking I'd like to go from two bodies to one, as per my earlier post, and it expanded from there.
fcotterill
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A 135g FTZ II -$250 - in tandem with a trusty F mount Nikkor on the Z8.... There are very few MILCs in this league, for which the qualification is a stacked sensor, zero blackout, PreCapture, RSF, Subject Recognition and much more
This ~1kg of Z8+FTZ leverages a Highly cost effective solution in many guises
This ~1kg of Z8+FTZ leverages a Highly cost effective solution in many guises
thelordofthelight
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If the rumoured specs and price is correct, then the Z8 will be in a totally new segment, all brands considered. It Will be in between Sony A1/Z9 and Canon R5/Sony A7R5. Closer to the A1/Z9 in terms of features and performance whereas closer to the Canon R5/SONY a7R5 in terms of pricing.
Wes Peterson
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Thomas Heaton is/has been using the "Z8" His latest video he mentions "it" at around the 13 min mark.
thelordofthelight
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Interesting..He’s a landscape photographer..
John Navitsky
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seems like it'll put a lot of price pressure on the a1 and r5 [EDIT: and the a9ii for that matter]
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Doug A.
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Now I've become even more interested in this camera than I was before.
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